[MD] The Intellectual Gauntlet

[MarshaV]

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Ian Glendinning" <ian.glendinning at gmail.com>
To: <moq_discuss at moqtalk.org>
Sent: Monday, July 21, 2008 10:23 AM
Subject: Re: [MD] The Intellectual Gauntlet



>
> It is understandable that confusion is caused by the fact that - to
> paraphrase - we need definitions in order to discuss the real world,
> even if in the real world those definitions are insignificant (or much
> less significant, anyway).
>


Hi Ian,

Who here, besides Paul (missing) Turner, has taken the trouble to 
investigate the Eastern side of "things"?  Nagarjuna to be specific.  The 
need for the list's type of definitional precision is a symptom of the s/o 
pov.   Maybe before definition it might be prudent to have a thorough 
understanding of what it is you are trying to define: patterns.  While 
static they may appear, they are still interrelated and ever-changing. 
They are in no way things-in-themselves, or independent entities.  Patterns 
existence is dependent on the value of its functionality.  If a pattern's 
functionality (this is related to experience) loses value, poof it's gone. 
The Social Level is a pattern of patterns, all interrelated and 
ever-changing.  The Intellectual Level is a pattern of patterns.   The "real 
world" is a pattern.

So, what am I trying to say?   I think breaking the subject/object 
culturally inherited glasses is far more important than naming.  Read 
Nagarjuna!   Or, stop counting fingers and get to the Moon.

Marsha