[MD] The Intellectual Gauntlet III - Lila meets Reet

[MarshaV]

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> Mat
>
> On 21 July you wrote:
>
>> Mati: I conceded that before, it was merely a example. The general
>> point is that we as humans today are composed or maintain all three or
>> four value sets.  Pirsig went to great length to show that Lila only
>> really composed of three levels. "Biologically she is fine, socially
>> she's pretty far down the scale, intellectually she's nowhere. But
>> Dynamically . Ah! That is the one to watch." Pg 186.
>
> Most apt. As said to Krimel, Pirsig's obsession was the Quality=
> Reality issue, and he may at times have some strange utterings
> regarding the levels. Lila Blewitt's personal health or social
> standing has little to do with the 2nd.and 3rd. levels.
>
>> In Pirsig has once describe that DQ pervades all the levels.  But if
>> one of the levels is not present then what?
>
> IMO the levels are Quality levels (like ocean waves are ocean
> water too) so in that sense DQ pervades the levels, but it is their
> STATIC quality that counts.
>
>> Can Lila poses DQ Intellect, if so then where is the wake of SQ
>> Intellect.
>
> About DQ I don't know, but the intellectual level may exist  and yet
> some people be totally indifferent to it. There exists whole cultures
> this day that don't VALUE the intellectual reality, but are as
> intelligent as anyone. Lila B. may have been as "sharp as a razor"
> yet not understanding a single thing about the "captain's"
> intellectual observations.
>
>> Surely it would have been noticed by Pheadrus. I think Lila has managed
>> to manipulate he social level reasonably well and that might count for
>> the DQ that he is referring to. Perhaps Pheadrus was a bit harsh
>> putting her "pretty far down the scale." But it was his observation not
>> mine.
>
> Agree, Lila was completely lodged in the social reality, emotions
> her primary expression. Pirsig is a little un-MOQish here,
> somewhere else he postulates "celebrity" as a social value, and
> Lila B. may have been an avid reader of glamour magazines and
> as such "social conscious", but he own standing is irrelevant.
>
> The Phaedrus meets Reet part I'll have to study a bit more.
>
> Bodvar
>


Greetings Bo,

Are you suggesting that the Intellectual Level is based on a body of 
knowledge (static patterns, nominal entities)?  In your case, a body of 
Western s/o knowledge.

Marsha