[MD] Levels?

[Ron Kulp]

[Platt]
Here's one place where he says it:

 "Societies" is used figuratively here as a more colorful word meaning 
"groups."  If I had known it would be taken literally as evidence that 
cells belong in the social level I would not have used it.  Maybe in a 
future edition it can be struck out. One can also call ants and bees 
"social" insects, but for purposes of precision in the MOQ social
patterns 
should be  defined as human and subjective.  Unlike cells and bees and
ants 
they cannot be detected with an objective scientific instrument.  For 
example there is no objective scientific instrument that can distinguish

between a king and commoner, because the difference is  social. (SODV
Note 
49) 

[Krimel]
Thanks Platt! 

I would also like to point out a major flaw in what he is saying here.
No
instrument can distinguish between red and blue or hot and cold or any
other
perceptual phenomena either. Those kinds of distinctions are in the eye
of
the beholder and are only objective in so far as different beholders
agree
on those aspects of their share experience that can held in common.
Instruments can distinguish one frequency of light from another or one
temperature from another or one individual from another. But it is the
observer or community of observers that determine the meaning of these
distinctions. After all instruments can only tell use that this is a bee
and
that is an ant and that is a cell and there are so many of each. The
determination that they have "social" behavior lies not in the
instrument
but in the people using the instrument.

Instruments of any kind extend our sensory capacity but perception, what
we
construct with our senses, is only effected in the sense that it has
additional data to synthesize. 


Ron:
Krimmel,
A well thought out and concise statement. It ties in to
what I meant in the "levels/" thread.

" Instruments can distinguish one frequency of light from another or one
temperature from another or one individual from another. But it is the
observer or community of observers that determine the meaning of these
distinctions."

The community of observers being society or "culture". They share an
agreed upon "illusion" or interpretation. We call this an intellectual
pattern
when this interpretation is used individually but the agreement itself
is a social level pattern.