[MD] Tit's

[MarshaV]

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Ham Priday" <hampday1 at verizon.net>
To: <moq_discuss at moqtalk.org>
Sent: Sunday, July 27, 2008 3:58 PM
Subject: Re: [MD] Tit's


>
> Marsha --
>
>> Does 'experience' tell us anything other than its value is good, bad, or 
>> neutral?  Even the idea that an experience has a beginning, a middle and 
>> an end is a part of the 'designs by us'
>> process, a process where experiences get reified and define
>> into recognizable patterns.
>
> Experience is the source of all knowledge about our reality.  So, when I 
> present my ontology as "reasonable" to an existentialist like Krimel, I 
> have to put experience in the forefront of any theory or concept under 
> discussion,  You'll note that he will readily accept the views of 
> experimental researchers like Piaget or Jill Bolte-Taylor, for example, 
> but finds the mystical teachings of Nagarjuna foreign to his perspective.
>
> You're right, of course, that the experiential world is a "designs by us" 
> system, in that that we construct the patterns of our reality from value. 
> Yet, this concept defies common sense and is so foreign to the empirical 
> mind that it is treated as fantasy.  Its unfortunate that Pirsig failed to 
> stress the individual as the "designer", leaving us with the impression 
> that patterns directly relate to Quality and need no cognizant agent.

Ham,

Both the designs and the designer are conceptually constructed.   Both are 
patterns.  I don't see a problem with the MOQ.

Marsha




>
> I've found that the only way to get Essentialism across is by showing that 
> the fundamental assumptions are reasonable, or at least as reasonable as 
> the assumptions that support the commonly held worldview.  Perhaps the 
> most fundamental argment of all is the principle that nothing comes from 
> nothingness.  When you consider that this principle is the root premise of 
> philosophy, religion, mysticism, and physical science, it must be 
> reasonable.
>
> Thanks, Marsha.
>
> Essentially yours,
> Ham
>
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