[MD] an intellectually guided society....

[Ian Glendinning]

Hi Gav,
I have no problem with 7 out of the 8, and would aspire to all 8, as you would.

The problem with the 8th manifesto point is always what to do with
"freeloaders" ? People who like the benefits, the freedoms, but don't
take their individual responsibilities to the cosmos; don't keep their
side of the utopian bargain. If you can't exclude them from this
society - pragmatically they would just have to be "managed" somehow -
with "some" force in reserve to back that up.

If you have a practical alternative to this, I'd sure be keen to hear it.

Paradoxically it seems without 8 (enforcible law), 1 (sustainability)
must fail - utopia implodes. The fight for freedoms needs to be
legitimate.

Incidentally - the reality of "lore" as a basis for social morals is a
good one, but pragmatically some of that lore ends up being enacted
politically in law for exactly the reason above. (I read and reviewed
Al MacIntyre's "After Virtue" recently - has something to say on
this.)
Ian

On 7/24/08, gav <gav_gc at yahoo.com.au> wrote:
> would:
> 1. be sustainable.
> this is a given.
>
> 2. be egalitarian
> to ensure the most efficient and efficacious use of human resources.
>
> 3. be organised with a 13 month lunar calendar.
> 13 months of 28 days (with a day 'out of time'for cosmic celebration).
> this would sync the rhythms of society and nature.
>
> 4. be guided by the wisdom of the elders, the mythic imagination and the joy of the children.
>
> 5. respond creatively to change
>
> 6. negate and realise art.
> ie the situationist apotheosis: the negation of art as culturally sanctioned spectacular activity and the realization of life as art.
>
> 7.value and promote diversity.
> ecological health is a function of the complexity of interconnections.
>
>
> 8. have no need of laws, prisons or mental hospitals.
>  lore, embodied in myth, would replace the need for law.
>
> anyone else wanna play?
>
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