[MD] Chance

[David M]

Hi Krim

EM! anyone ever suggested JFK is still alive,
not that uncertain is it! You'be been over
doing the science fiction movies again.

DM


>> [Krimel]
>> I would add that probability also diminishes as one moves backwards into
>> the "past". Our memories and recordings of the past give us the illusion
>> of fixity. But they are replications of settled probabilities. If one 
>> were
>> actually able to move backwards in time, one would confront to same
>> quantum uncertainties and problems of entropy (in reverse) that we
>> encounter moving forward it time.
>>
>> It is the illusion of memory that makes the past seem fixed and confuses
>> folks like Ham who see space/time as static.
>
> David M
> I suspect we live in a reality where the wave function
> does collapse with or without observation, which is why
> we find the past is fixed and cannot be reoccupied by us.
> That's my experience at least. So this email is now fixed
> for ever. Feel free to prove me wrong.
>
> [Krimel]
> Your memory and recordings of the past create the illusion of fixity. 
> These
> e-mails are just such records. Your memories are just such records. Time 
> is
> not reversible because of entropy and quantum indeterminacy. This is what
> separates those theories from classical physics in which the laws of 
> physics
> work perfectly well in either temporal direction. Thermodynamics and QM 
> tell
> us why time can't run backward but if it did it would be subject to the 
> same
> indeterminacies as it does running forward. Furthermore if we could move 
> to
> some point in "a" past we could not get back to the present we started in.
> Also consider that even if we could return to a specific past, if would 
> not
> be the past we originally started from because we would be in it. Our
> presence would alter the probability structure.
>
> Our memories and recordings, like these e-mails, create the illusion of
> fixity in the past, but we can see through this illusion even in a mundane
> way without reference to physics. My favorite example is the Kennedy
> assassination. Several publicly funded and a host of private crack pots 
> have
> attempted to reconstruct this event using photos, home movies, sound
> recordings and eye witness testimony. After 40 years of tireless effort 
> the
> results are still inconclusive. Even our illusion of fixity can not tell 
> us
> what "actually" happened. I would say this is true of all historical 
> events
> and the farther back you look the less certainty you will find. In this
> sense the past is for us just as much a model of what was, as the future 
> is
> a model of what will be.
>
> In some sense we 'can' travel in time and I suspect that this fifth
> dimensional aspect of our being is what produces consciousness. It is the
> ability to remember the past and to project into the future that really
> makes us, if not unique then 'special'. We can take various points of view
> not only of social relationships and spatial relationships but of temporal
> relationships. We are constantly interacting with these multifaceted
> perspectives; processing them in parallel and constructing serial 
> narratives
> out of them.
>
> There is in nature the manifestation of recursion and iteration. The 
> values
> of the probabilities that collapse in the present are fed into the 
> equations
> that become the future. This process continues moment to moment eon to 
> eon.
> It exhibits the property of self similarity across scale. Pick a time 
> scale
> from nanoseconds to millennia and you can zoom in zoom out, refocus.
>
>
>
>
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