[MD] Chance

[Marsha]

Hi Krimel,

I think this thread has gone past meaning for me, but thank you for trying.

Marsha


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Krimel" <Krimel at Krimel.com>
To: <moq_discuss at moqtalk.org>
Sent: Sunday, June 01, 2008 2:32 PM
Subject: Re: [MD] Chance


> [Marsha]
> I've been wondering about the question behind this thread.  Is there some
> proof, hope, or 'chance' that life is predictable?   In a laboratory or in
> daily living?
>
> Krimel, what is it that DMB is not getting?  You seem to be proposing a
> theory, but I'm not sure that you've stated it clearly.
>
> [Krimel]
> In this particular instance dmb was falling victim to the illusion that
> because we remember, have records and live with the consequences of a
> particular flow of events that that particular flow is fixed and certain. 
> He
> appears at least to be supporting the kind of view that Ham espouses when 
> he
> claims that the universe from some godlike perceptive is a fait accompli. 
> I
> am saying that first of all time is not reversible but if it were it would
> not rewind like a movie. To get to the past you would have to pass through
> the same sort of indeterminacies that we pass through moving forward in 
> time
> and that as a result we could not return to any point in time that we have
> been in previously. Not only that I am saying that our knowledge of the 
> past
> is insufficient to make certain judgments about why things happened the 
> way
> they did. History is the mixture of educated guesses. The farther back in
> time we try to look the harder it is to make accurate guesses as to what
> shaped events of the past.
>
> I mentioned the Kennedy assassination but recently I asserted that one of
> the chief motivations of Plato and other early Greek thinkers was to
> incorporate the stunning achievements of the Greek mathematicians into the
> lives of ordinary Athenians. Matt then advanced the notion that Plato was
> driven by bitterness and personal grief over the treatment of his mentor 
> at
> the hands of Athenian authorities. Who can say which is which? Does either
> theory account for the facts or just express our respective personal
> prejudice?
>
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