[MD] Truth and the Linguistic Turn

[Joseph Maurer]

On Tuesday 03 June Marsha writes to Joe
 
Greetings Joe,
 
[Marsha]
I was wondering if either you or Matt would consider this point-of-view
worth considering? Or how did you (Joe), see Matt and me on the same page?
 
Marsha
 
Hi Marsha, Matt and all,
 
[Joe]
I first read any post from an empty view.  I read your post about your point
of view: ³I have never been terribly comfortable with a hierarchical
structure because it forbids the possibility of overlapping categories.²
Then I read Matt¹s post to Ron: ³But what is the utility in placing truth in
the moment of presentness if it might be false when it becomes the past in
the next moment?"
 
[Joe]
The common page I felt was the presentness of experience.  In Marsha¹s case
I felt the awareness of hallelujah let us proceed!  In Matt¹s case a
cautious awareness that the common page must always be reexamined!
 
I felt that evolution was a common answer to both points of view.  The
wonder of now!
 
Joe



On 6/3/08 7:15 AM, "Marsha" <marshalz at charter.net> wrote:

> Greetings Joe,
> 
> I was wondering if either you or Matt would consider this point-of-view
> worth considering?  Or how did you (Joe), see Matt and me on the same page?
> 
> Marsha
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Marsha" <marshalz at charter.net>
> To: <moq_discuss at moqtalk.org>
> Sent: Tuesday, June 03, 2008 7:37 AM
> Subject: Re: [MD] Truth and the Linguistic Turn
> 
> 
> Greetings Joe,
> 
> If I look to the West, truth looks one way, and if I look to the East the
> truth looks another way.  I never want to be the one who assumes truth to
> be:  This is what I think, this what I feel, so this is the way it is...
> I would have never thought so, but I am beginning to think that the closer I
> look, the further I get from any kind of "truth".  The generality is closer
> to the truth, the specific instance is just made up story, myth, or maybe a
> beautiful song, or poem.   But I don't know...
> 
> Marsha
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Joseph Maurer" <jhmau at sbcglobal.net>
> To: <moq_discuss at moqtalk.org>
> Sent: Monday, June 02, 2008 4:31 PM
> Subject: Re: [MD] Truth and the Linguistic Turn
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Hi Matt, Marsha, and all,
> 
> [Matt]
> "And it is agreed by most philosophers (and all laypeople) that knowledge
> and process of finding truth begins with our experience of the world.
> 
> [Joe]
> I like Marsha¹s point of view: there are different ways of viewing the
> world!  Nicoll talks about a distinction between ³impressions² and
> ³associations².  The distinction he is drawing is echoed in Persig¹s
> statement: ³Culture hands us a set of glassesS.²  When I was young my first
> impressions became organized into associations of behavior in society!
> Later in life impressions fall on these associations, instead of consciousy
> and my outlook becomes mechanical from a very young age.
> 
> [Matt]
> But what is the utility in placing truth in the moment of presentness if it
> might be false when it becomes the past in the next moment?"
> 
> [Joe]
> If I don¹t allow my consciousness of the ³present², but only my associations
> of the past, I will have no hint that my behavior depends on mechanical
> associations learned at my mom¹s knee.  I am acting like a child, with no
> hint that I am acting mechanically, not consciously from developed
> faculties.  It has always worked before.  If I make no mistakes in going
> beyond my youthful associations, I live my life in mechanical sleep.  I
> live, but am I alive?
> 
> [Joe]
> IMO Matt and Marsha arrive at the same page, life, from different
> perspectives: variety is a difficulty of life, or variety is the spice of
> life. How many varieties does life come in?  Is the inorganic a ³present
> variety² of life?  Why isn¹t evolution discovered in a ³process of finding
> truth in our experience of the world?²
> 
> Joe
> 
> 
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