[MD] Truth and the Linguistic Turn

[Marsha]

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From: "Krimel" <Krimel at Krimel.com>
To: <moq_discuss at moqtalk.org>
Sent: Thursday, June 12, 2008 5:34 PM
Subject: Re: [MD] Truth and the Linguistic Turn


> [Marsha]
> So now it's fractal structures?  To SEE a similar structure in a Nature, a
> whole lot of important, interrelated processes are being ignored.  I don't
> buy it.  ASSUME seems like the correct word.
>
> [Krimel]
> It has always been a fractal structure why ever would you think it
> otherwise. To see we need we need eyes and a brain. To see patterns we 
> need
> experience.

To see involves shape and color.  That's it.

>[Krimel]
>To perceive we need to be able to integrate sensory experience
> and in this process we detect patterns. We do this from the moment of our
> birth until the hour of our death. This ability to detect and perceive
> patterns is the very foundation of the MoQ.

It is erroneous to mistake patterns for things that exist in and of 
themselves.   Mostly we are socially indoctrinated with patterns from birth 
to death.  The lucky ones detect and perceive original patterns.


 > [Marsha]
> Does it exist outside your mind?    Isn't this "more like a tree or a 
> river
> system or a highway system, or a nervous system or lungs" structure 
> imputed
> by your mind?  I don't find it as significant a structure as you.  I
> certainly don't think it exists in-and-of-itself.  Maybe a pattern of your
> imagination, huh?
>
> [Krimel]
> Does anything at all exist outside of my mind? I can prove to my self that
> things do exist inside my mind. I can not prove this to you.
>
> Are you telling me you see no similarity in the structure of highways and
> rivers? Are you saying that I should pay no heed to the workings of my 
> mind?
> What else is there for me to heed? You really need to give that Buddhist
> bullshit a rest.
>

Experiences of highways, trees and rivers are subjective perceptions of 
appearances that are bound by contexts, or frames of reference.  What is a 
highway?  What is a tree?  What is a river?   Of course you should pay 
attention to the workings of your mind, but not accept its mistaken 
identity.

What would you have me investigate, a father god and the Old Testament?


Marsha