[MD] the Underground

[Heather Perella]

Marsha:
> Maybe you can explain.  First there is muck, than there is
> no muck, then 
> there is muck again.  What do you think?

SA:  I think the first muck is bothersome samsara.  I think no muck is the void effort.  It is the effort to live nirvana.  The third muck is the void has been here along and muck or no muck is handled in a void way.  Thus, the third muck is:  nirvana is samsara or samsara has been nirvana all along.  The third muck is experienced differently than the first two mucks.


all these mucks,
SA