[MD] the news, or lack of it...

[Marsha]

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Arlo Bensinger" <ajb102 at psu.edu>
To: <moq_discuss at moqtalk.org>
Sent: Tuesday, June 24, 2008 10:57 AM
Subject: Re: [MD] the news, or lack of it...


> [Arlo had said]
> I think our culture (America) values "truthiness".
>
> [Squonk]
> I'm not sure what you mean, but as i think about it i'm thinking that you 
> think your culture values truth-likeness?
>
> [Arlo]
> Going with the Wikipedia entry, truthiness is "things that a person claims 
> to know intuitively or "from the gut" without regard to evidence, logic, 
> intellectual examination, or facts." I think it derives from our soundbite 
> culture that spins complex issues into pithy ideological slurs in order to 
> gain a consensus by bypassing "evidence, logic, intellectual examination, 
> or facts" (often by appealing to "fear" and "outrage"). Often these are 
> things we "want to be true", ideological premises that make us "feel good" 
> to believe. This is what our culture demands, and this is what we are fed. 
> "Evidence, logic, intellectual examination, or facts" just takes too damn 
> long, is the domain of the pointy-headed wretched, takes us away from 
> American Idol and Jerry Springer.  As Colbert commented in christening his 
> "word", "Who's Britannica to tell me the Panama Canal was finished in 
> 1914? If I want to say it happened in 1941, that's my right."

 Arlo,

Interesting, at least to me, was my first reaction to your statement, "I 
think our culture (America) values "truthiness". Viva Colbert!" was pithy.

Marsha








>
> [Squonk]
> If information has truthiness then the information may be said to remind 
> one of the truth while not actually being true? And this is sufficient.
>
> [Arlo]
> Absolutely. Peirce may have referred to this as something like "tenacity 
> validated by selective authority".
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