[MD] the news, or lack of it...

[Joseph Maurer]

On Tuesday 24 June 2008 1:22 PM Squonk writes to Joe:

Hi Squonk and all,

It is good to have your input again!

Persig suggests that ³Culture hands us a set of glassesŠ²

The opinions I learned at my Mom¹s knee become the standard for my behavior,
and culture is mechanical in that usually I don¹t have to learn anything
more.   

The conscious-self-awareness which identifies the social level is undefined.
I don¹t see how you can ³imitate² the Undefined since it is emptiness.
Intellectual patterns are SOL!  If they were abstracted, the mind-soul
necessary to abstract and remember the pattern becomes the structure
proposed for SOM.

Joe


Hi Joe,

Thanks Joe, nice to hear you again. :)

The term 'Culture' in moq terms is a combination of social static patterns
and intellectual static patterns.  When you say, 'The opinions I learned at
my Mom¹s knee become the standard for my behaviour, and culture is
mechanical in that usually I don¹t have to learn anything more' i think you
may be referring to the social aspect of culture.
   
The origin of self-awareness is a fascinating area of enquiry, but i am not
inclined to believe it was initiated, precipitated or generated by the
emergence of the moq intellectual level. I know Bodvar has developed his SOL
which attempts to tie these two together, but i do not think
self-consciousness can be regarded in terms of a social power struggle with
intellectual patterns developing later.

The following book may be of interest to those who value SOL:

Reflections on the Dawn of Consciousness: Julian Jaynes's Bicameral Mind
Theory Revisited [Import] (Hardcover) by Marcel Kuijstn. Eds.

Hi Squonk and all,

Evolution! IMO the possibility of evolution demands an undefined order in
existence.  Consciousness an undefined “I” of self-meaning. There also is a
mechanical-defined “I” following the rules of “culture”.  I am a singer.  I
use the musical octave as the analogy for evolution.

Do the inorganic reproduces by collision.

Re is life which reproduces by the division of a single cell.

Mi is life which reproduces from one cell penetrating another.

__(half-note, shock required or everything deviates)

Fa is self-aware-conscious life reaching for meaning in an experience of
emptiness. As a man, I am empty!  “It is not good for man to be alone!” The
emptiness of self-aware-conscious life is the analogy which makes possible a
distinction between S and O, a power struggle between me and you (it)—The
social power struggle.  Is Plato’s dialectic merely repetition to establish
the boundaries of undefined conscious/reality or defined mechanical/reality?

Sol is a Self-Organ(other)(object)-Language of evolution of life, mechanical
or conscious. Thanks! Bo.

La is a higher conscious-only perception of life.

Si is a higher conscious-only perception of evolutionary forces--existence.

Evolution stops! 

Joe

On 6/24/08 1:22 PM, "squonkmuse at talktalk.net" <squonkmuse at talktalk.net>
wrote:

> Hi Squonk and all,

It is good to have your input again!

Persig suggests that
> ³Culture hands us a set of glassesŠ²

The opinions I learned at my Mom¹s knee
> become the standard for my behavior,
and culture is mechanical in that usually
> I don¹t have to learn anything
more.   

The conscious-self-awareness which
> identifies the social level is undefined.
I don¹t see how you can ³imitate²
> the Undefined since it is emptiness.
Intellectual patterns are SOL!  If they
> were abstracted, the mind-soul
necessary to abstract and remember the pattern
> becomes the structure
proposed for SOM.

Joe

Hi Joe,
Thanks Joe, nice to hear
> you again. :)

The term 'Culture' in moq terms is a combination of social
> static patterns and intellectual static patterns.
When you say, 'The opinions
> I learned at my Mom¹s knee become the standard for my behaviour,
and culture
> is mechanical in that usually I don¹t have to learn anything
more' i think you
> may be referring to the social aspect of culture.
   
The origin of
> self-awareness is a fascinating area of enquiry, but i am not inclined to
> believe it was initiated, precipitated or generated by the emergence of the
> moq intellectual level. I know Bodvar has developed his SOL which attempts to
> tie these two together, but i do not think self-consciousness can be
> regarded in terms of a social power struggle with intellectual patterns
> developing later.

The following book may be of interest to those who value
> SOL:


Reflections on the Dawn of Consciousness: Julian Jaynes's Bicameral
> Mind Theory Revisited