[MD] Sexual experience and death

[gav]

is this about 'la petite morte'?
the french phrase for orgasm being a 'little death'?.
anyway i guess the similarity is straightforward: both death and orgasm are release: liberation.
by the way great spanish film about this topic...about a retired matador and a hot chick who get it on and end up.....i won't spoil it. but i guess i already may have.
kill me! do it now!
peace
g



--- On Tue, 1/7/08, Marsha <marshalz at charter.net> wrote:

> From: Marsha <marshalz at charter.net>
> Subject: Re: [MD] Sexual experience and death
> To: moq_discuss at moqtalk.org
> Received: Tuesday, 1 July, 2008, 5:59 AM
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "David M" <davidint at blueyonder.co.uk>
> To: <moq_discuss at moqtalk.org>
> Sent: Monday, June 30, 2008 3:19 PM
> Subject: Re: [MD] Sexual experience and death
> 
> 
> > Hi all
> >
> > What do we value in sexual experience?
> > Or more to the point what do we value most in our
> sexual experiences?
> > Many and different things no doubt.
> > No doubt how we experience someone's body is
> valued and important?
> > But this is not all or perhaps not the highest value
> involved.
> > Desire for physical contact is fine but as human
> beings we often want 
> > more.
> >
> > What is this more?
> >
> > Something more than the body?
> > Something more than the physical?
> > Something more than SQ?
> >
> > We might say that more than just the body, we also
> desire the person.
> >
> > The person may be many levels of SQ but even that is
> not enough.
> > But what more do we want? The person? What do we want
> from
> > another person?
> >
> > Somehow we want their uniqueness. We do not just want
> the
> > SQ they can repeat, the patterns we have experienced
> before.
> > We want their future, their possibilities, what is yet
> unknown
> > about them and the joint possibilities that may unfold
> between
> > two people (any more is perhaps just too complex and
> dynamic).
> >
> > Or it may be less about what is gained and more about
> what is
> > given.
> >
> > And then there is loss and death. What is no longer
> experienced when
> > a loved one dies? The body remains and is no less
> physically
> > experienced. But it is a greatly reduced experience.
> Reduced in what? 
> > Reduced
> > in its potential, such that its potential can no
> longer be experienced, it 
> > is absent.
> > Such is potential. Potential is something we clearly
> experience
> > but cannot entirely pin down. Sure there is SQ and our
> understanding
> > of SQ but some experiences give us more than just SQ
> and the same
> > again.
> >
> > Some experiences are richer in DQ than others.
> Sexual/erotic/love 
> > experiences
> > with persons are one set of these.
> >
> > Do MOQers not need to explore all forms of experience
> for what they tell 
> > us
> > about SQ and DQ and their value?
> >
> > Regards
> > David M
> 
> Hi David,
> 
> Sexual experience seems to me to be primarily where some
> strong biological 
> patterns meets DQ.   How we think about, describe and
> explain it is 
> primarily social, but may be intellectual.  I imagine
> that's what you're 
> requesting, some intellectual discussion/exploration.  But,
> your topic seems 
> much too large.  For example, the biology would be very
> different at age 99, 
> than at age 18, and that biology profoundly affects not
> only the sexual 
> experience, but also how we think about it.  It's a
> moving target.
> 
> Maybe you could narrow the topic.  Or not.
> 
> 
> Marsha
> 
> 
> 
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