[MD] The End of Faith - Spirituality

[Ron Kulp]

> 
> Ron:
> You Define moral as morality equals reality. I agree with your
> definition


Platt:
Morality equals reality is Pirsig's definition, not mine. I happen to 
agree.
 
Ron:
> And as per that definition I embrace and own Pirsigs "moral" levels.

Platt:
I presume that means you accept the superiority of the higher moral
levels 
over the lower, as Pirsig says. 

Ron:
Per the definition above, yes.

> Ron prev:
> It seems quite clear you have no way of defining what morality is Less

> running it in circular logic per your opinion of it. This is my point.
> This goes for myself as well.

Platt:
Not at all clear to me. How do you define anything without it being your
opinion?  Are you saying in effect, "Reality is personal opinion?"

Ron:
Basically yes. Ham would call it individual value awareness.

Ron Prev:
> So what the heck does Pirsig mean when he says doctors are more moral 
> Than germs? Does he mean that doctors are more real to us than germs?
> More valuable to us than germs? It's interesting when you really look 
> at it And follow the logic.
 
Platt:
He is saying it's better to kill a germ than to be killed by one. Don't
you agree?

Ron:
Well yea, but that's my personal view point. That germ would say that it

was better for me to live too since my death would ensure its own, thus 
the struggle that needs to exist. 
By killing that germ the doctor may unwittingly doom mankind, killing
Something he needs to survive. The struggle promotes change. The
struggle
Of the doctor and the germ is what's moral. 
If all doctors killed all germs would morality be served?
Or would morality cease to exist? Evolution halted because the struggle
Is no more. 




Thanks Platt