[MD] Zen

[Ron Kulp]

Hello Marsha,
I'm just saying Bo and Pirsig
Invent a definition within
The framework of the culture
We live in for matters of
Convenience of workability.
It makes the level system
Functional conceptually.
The mistake is taking this
View as reality itself.
-Ron


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Sent: Thursday, March 06, 2008 11:56 AM
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Greetings Ron,

I'm not sure I'm understanding you correctly.  Are you implying that 
if the dictionary's definition of intellect mentions subjects and 
objects, then Bo is correct.  If it doesn't mention subject and 
objects it's because it's taken for granted, and then Bo is correct.

Marsha


At 11:00 AM 3/6/2008, you wrote:


>SA, Marsha, Bo
>
>Bo has it. Once again we see how messy things get when there isn't a
>clear
>WORKING definition of the 4th level.
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>Ron:
>But there isn't a clear working definition this why we invent one. But
>sometimes you guys give me the impression that you forget this is so.
>Bo's quote hits it squarely:
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> >    The CULTURE in which we live, hands us a set of intellectual
> >    glasses to interpret experience with, and the concept of
> >    the primacy of subjects and objects is built right into these
> >    glasses.
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>The culture hands us s/o. s/o may not be a property of human
>intellectualism. But it is the property of our culture, our human
>Intellectualism.
>So,
>For convenience sake we ASSUME SOM as intellect to gain
>A relative degree of certainty as it applies to our own
>Western condition. But to take it as an absolute fact
>General to all evolution, is making the same ole SOM
>mistake of taking metaphor for reality. In reality there
>are no levels but the dance of Quality on the edge of awareness.
>
>Just as SOM uses zero and whole numbers for methods of planning
>And prediction SOL uses SOM as the 4th level in the same way.
>
>I'm curious as to just how Bo intends to utilize SOL. Does he have
>A plan? Is it something akin to Radical empiricism? I suggested
>A Radical Metaphysic approach in the same line of thinking
>But haven't heard anything other than the level banging
>That's been going on
>ffffoooooooorrrrrrrrrrreeeeeeeeeeeevvvvvvvvvvvvvvvveeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeerr
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>rrrrrrrr!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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>So Bo, whats the plan for SOL?
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