[MD] Zen

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Chris and Krimmel 

On 8 March Chris wrote:

> Uhm. Well, but what is called intelligence is boiled down to "using
> your mind" Observing things, drawing conclusions etc. Surely you see
> how this springs from the idea of mind as a separate entity.  This is
> really what the practice of Zen is trying to bash. I don't see the
> conflict. 

I believe we say the same thing. "Intelligence" is using brain, but not 
necessarily for intellectual purposes. When "my" craw sits on the 
ground tilting its head at the (small) bird's food, it clearly "observes 
things" and in its brain the logical circuits "draws conclusions", but this 
is intelligence in biology's service (finding food primarily) , but during 
the Q-evolution this original biological pattern became adopted by the 
social and an intellectual levels in turn. But while biology and society 
don't know any inner/outer split, intellect's sees everything through its 
S/O glasses; To it brain is matter and its "conclusions" is mind, thus at 
the 4th level the terms (intelligence and intellect) are confused , both 
are the mental fallout of brain's workings. 


You see this intellectual fallacy with Krimel 

> Not to step on Marsha's toes here but your assessment above strikes me as
> deeply confused. Reason is no less a subjective process than emotion. They
> are both modes that individual subjects have available for apprehending
> and processing information about the external, objective world.

He thinks that "all is subjective" is some profound revelation that no-
one has discovered, he has no inkling that this is intellect's eternal 
see-saw: To the materialist intellect (mind) assess the external world 
objectively, to the Subjectivist the external world is mind too. There is 
nothing but intellect!!!! This SOM-induced dead end is what the MOQ 
upends, but no-one seems to have noticed and think along the old 
beaten path. "Christ, it ain't easy" as John Lennon sings.

Bo