[MD] Zen

[Krimel]

[Bo]
I'm not really interested in learning how many boxes within boxes SOM 
produces. The thing is that the S/O (mind/matter) divide is immensely 
valuable and have brought us modernity. The fact that it is untenable 
philosophically is what the Quality Metaphysics sets right by relegating 
it the role of its highest static level while postulating that existence's 
real divide is the Dynamic/Static one. Get it?  

[Krimel]
I get it but I am pretty sure you do not. The problem with the mind body
issue is the notion that reality is fundamentally dualistic. If so how does
one of these aspects relate to the other? If on the other hand we regard
"mind" as an emergent property of matter the problem goes away. 
Within the MoQ this is what the levels reveal, biology emerging from the
inorganic and so forth. The MoQ shows how this can happen as stability
arises and is sustained in the face of change.

[Bo]
Ok, ok, my library is also full of books on the many twists to the S/O 
divide (as philosophically absolute) can be done before breakfast. Yet 
no-one can deny the immense progress it has brought to mankind. All 
cultures who (in moq-speak) refuses to enter the 4th. level stagnate it 
seems.   

[Krimel]
The point is that the perception of ourselves and others as subjects and
objects is a biological predisposition of our species. Tomasello is a
developmental and comparative psychologist not a philosopher his
observations are based on studies of infants and nonhuman primates.