[MD] Science and the MOQ

[David M]

Jorge

usually one ideology dominant but of course
many are possible.

We need to do science in the contexts of our values, what
ends we are trying to realise, and to assess science, its
approach, goals, research projects, in the context of
what we want to achieve. This is unavoidable, the problem
is where science claims only to be interested only in the truth
and uses this as a cover to have shut down debate about 
what science is to be done, what methods work best, etc.
We need more democracy in science and less elitism and
corporate monopoly.

DM


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Jorge Goldfarb" <jorgeg34 at yahoo.co.uk>
To: <moq_discuss at lists.moqtalk.org>
Sent: Sunday, March 16, 2008 4:11 PM
Subject: [MD] Science and the MOQ


> Krimel wrote (presumably alluding to my exchange with
> SA):
> 
> "If all you are doing is creating a rationale for
> arguing about what
> is of value, why do you need to talk about science at
> all?"
> 
> and DM adds: 
> "as Zizek suggests according to Tony Myers:
> "the idea that we can criticise the truth value of a
> proposition from
> a neutral or objective position is the most
> fundamental argument of ideology"
> Science wants to get itself out of this problem I'd
> suggest, and so does Maxwell". 
>  
> Jorge: Re. Krimel's question: No need at all to talk
> about Science at all when discussing values. The
> subject just arose in this Science and the MOQ Thread.
> If  SA agrees we could move on to a new Thread. 
> 
> Re. DM's addition: quite agree in that Science wants
> to get itself out of this problem of Values. As I
> quipped before: 'Science has nothing of value to offer
> about values'.
> 
> Another thing, I didn't quite understand in your quote
> the phrase: " the most fundamental argument of
> ideology" ; it sounds as if there was just one
> ideology 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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