[MD] The Beginning of it All

[Joseph Maurer]

On Monday 17 March 2008 11:24 AM David M answers Joe:
 
Hi David M
 
[Joe]
To discuss ³consciousness² in psychological terms it stands in contrast
to³mechanical². Nicoll gives the example of a young child given a pear with
an ugly worm in it.  He becomes afraid.  If this is repeated there is a good
chance the child will never like pears. This dislike is mechanical for the
child.  How useful is using ³conscious² and ³mechanical² when discussing the
glasses culture hands us!
 
[Joe]
The eyeglasses that culture hands us are ³mechanical².  Is ³mechanical² a
useful term for discussing cultural behavior?  The nation is composed of
individuals. Are there mechanical nations, mechanical wars, mechanical
societies, mechanical individuals?  How widespread?
 
 
DM: Seems tome there is a constant movement between conscious and
unconscious/mechanical behaviour/patterns/customs/traditions.
 
Hi David M and all,

[Joe]
I do not know why I am so reluctant, and nervous to respond to your
statement.  The anonyms to ³conscious² are lacking.  It is an individual
experience.  There are many anonyms to ³mechanical² in your ³Seems to me².
Perhaps this is a tribute to a scientific outlook denying the validity of a
conscious outlook. Why are they opposed? Pirsig seems to suggest undefined
DQ can only have meaning to a conscious person.  IMO constant movement
between conscious and mechanical is suspect.  Much of what I accept as
conscious behavior is mechanical behavior.  I cannot remember what I do from
day to day.  Memory is conscious. From the social level onward there is a
dual evolution until the meta_MOQ level which is only a conscious level.
 
Joe


On 3/17/08 11:24 AM, "David M" <davidint at blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:

> 
> 
> Hi David M
> 
> [Joe]
> To discuss ³consciousness² in psychological terms it stands in contrast to
> ³mechanical². Nicoll gives the example of a young child given a pear with an
> ugly worm in it.  He becomes afraid.  If this is repeated there is a good
> chance the child will never like pears. This dislike is mechanical for the
> child.  How useful is using ³conscious² and ³mechanical² when discussing the
> glasses culture hands us!
> 
> [Joe]
> The eyeglasses that culture hands us are ³mechanical².  Is ³mechanical² a
> useful term for discussing cultural behavior?  The nation is composed of
> individuals.  Are there mechanical nations, mechanical wars, mechanical
> societies, mechanical individuals?  How widespread?
> 
> Joe
> 
> 
> DM: Seems tome there is a constant movement between conscious and
> unconscious/mechanical behaviour/patterns/customs/traditions.
> 
>