[MD] Zen (Ideas)

[Ron Kulp]

Chris,
Great question, I just read some Fichte and he states that the formation
Of the concept of self defines intellect, 
It is earmarked by the advent of the invention of mental tools
And the laws which govern their use. Language.

This is where I see SOL setting an assumed point of beginning
To gain any traction in meaning for western thought
By placing this distinction with the Greeks who
Invented the rules for the reasoning and logic we use today.
If we try to pinpoint the beginning of language, as you
Say, it will fall to infinite reduction and become
Meaningless.
-Ron



Bodvar, Arlo - I'll try to simplify this and keep this discussion from 
running amok 8because I feel we might be able to make something
constructive 
of it if everyone comes out of their boxes - so to speak =)

---

Now, does any one of you reject the notion of the intellectual level as 
emerging when the notion of Ideas came to be a separate thing from the 
surrounding world? I mean, this is clearly in conflict with the social
level 
at it's base, although it can co-exist with the social level of course,
and 
influence it.

So, If Arlo, Bodvar, and perhaps Magnus  - and anyone else for that
matter 
could write down (as short as possible for the sake of overview) we
could in 
a proper and constructive way  way our arguments against one another.

Regards

Chris
 

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