[MD] MOQ basics - Lila Squad old-timers

[skutvik at online.no]

Hi Christoffer.
 
Sun March thou spake: 
   
> Ah, yes, here is where I found it:
 
> http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Forum/4670/moq.html

It didn't lead to anything for me, but never mind.
 
> and Bo wrote: >As the next oldest participant - after Magnus - I
> qualify here. BTW >where are these from, the FAQ ..or? Anyway, in my
> opinion all is valid >except the first part of paragraph four. 
 
> >There are no other way to divide Quality than the said way
 
> I would agree with you for the reason that this distinction is of course
> the basis of the MOQ. However, a metaphysics isn't reality, but as Pirsig
> says, another finger pointing to the moon. But of course the best finger.

Chistoffer. I regret that you have joined the "moon & finger" faction. 
Look, back in SOM's heyday (before the MOQ) no one said that the 
S/O division was just a metaphysical finger pointing to some deeper 
reality? It was the way existence was split from eternity to eternity, 
from bottom to top with, no neutral position from where one could look 
upon it as a mere metaphysical finger. 

And no Zen masters pointed out such a metaphysical context? Alan 
Watts was my source before I met with Pirsig, but I couldn't find 
anything about the western culture being a SOM one, and even if he 
had done so it would not have meant much if he hadn't pointed to (!) 
an alternative, ZAMM's revelation was just that: First its unmasking of 
SOM and then the new Quality metaphysics where the S/O divide was 
a subset.

Pirsig returning with LILA and now denouncing the MOQ as just 
another finger - straight or crooked makes little difference - nullifies it 
all, even the Quality=Reality postulate because it's an integrated part 
of the MOQ. The notion of the MOQ as "open and dynamic" i.e. that 
there may appear better fingers is nonsense (not your assertion 
though) A better finger must entail a different split from the DQ/SQ one 
and if so it's no longer a MOQ. Conclusion: Quality is Reality and this 
reality is DQ/SQ. No finger lest we are into an eternal regress. 

Bo