[MD] What is the MOQ?
Ham Priday
hampday1 at verizon.net
Thu May 1 00:10:44 PDT 2008
[Arlo]:
> Hmm. Can you try to answer this question without evoking
> paragraphs of rhetoric? Did or did not the universe exist
> before "man"? And explain to me how your cosmology
> accounts for the first "man"? Does man appear fully formed?
> Does he evolve out of another animal? And, while I doubt
> you'll say the second, if so then how did this earlier
> animal exist without "man" to experience it?
"Before" and "after" are time-related precepts to which we are all
habituated as SOMists. So the fact that awareness "creates" our experience
of the world does not change the way evolution works in our scientific
(intellectual) interpretation of process. If that's too much rhetoric, I'll
simply say that, since we experience reality as a sequence of events, Homo
sapiens as biological creatures appear to have evolved from earlier primates
in Darwinian fashion. Pirsigians would call this an SOM ontology, however,
probably defining evolution as a space/time pattern of quality.
What you fail to appreciate is the principle that experience is primary to
existence. Prior to experience there is no time, space, change, or being.
Experience creates being by differentiating value (by nothingness) into a
diverse system of objects and events. Since human beings are
'beings-aware', awareness is proprietary to the individual. But because
there is but one reality, the universe appears identical for each of us,
relative to our individual locus in space/time.
I should add that it isn't necessary to change our precept of a space/time
universe for all practical purposes. But for a philosopher who believes in
an undifferentiated, immutable source, some other cosmology is needed to
account for actualized existence. Pirsig appears to have convinced a number
of people that the world of appearances can be explained by
compartmentalizing Quality. Other philosophers have postulated Being or
Consciousness as the primary source. I find these metaphysical sources
inadequate because they all presuppose a division of cognitive subjectivity
and objective physicality. Instead, I opted for Essence which may be
conceived as an absolute "Is-ness" that encompasses all without opposition,
transition, or differentiation. Everything else is a reduced (redacted?)
appearance of Essence.
> And, I have no desire to "ponder" solipsism.
> But thanks for asking.
The essentialist ontology is not solipsism, although Essence itself may be.
And thanks for the questions you have asked.
Regards.
Ham
More information about the Moq_Discuss
mailing list