[MD] What is the MOQ?

[Ham Priday]

Greetings, Joe --


> Essence or existence, which is the variable?  IMO Existence
> is layered in an evolutionary order, and essence follows
> existence.  Essence is only known in existential layers.
> Hence the value of words and experience!

You have a right to your opinion, of course.  It's the ontology of 
existentialism (Hegel and Sartre) who postulated that "Existence precedes 
Essence".  It's also the position of Pirsig's hated logical positivists and 
SOMists who believe that man is totally an evolutionary product of nature. 
MoQ's author posited Quality as his primary "essence", but since quality or 
value presupposes a sensible agent to appreciate it, it can't be primary to 
existence.

> What is Evolution?  How can I write about the undefined?
> I can¹t!  I can only twist the meaning of words into "analogies"
> or "metaphors" or "gestures" to have any chance of being
> intelligible.  I suspect mathematics has difficulties with analogies,
> metaphors and gestures although ³quantum² seems to cross
> some line. Yikes! "Evolution" is an "order" in existence?

I think you are exaggerating the difficulty.  We can't describe the 
ineffable source, because attributes and parameters assume finite 
differentiation whereas Essence is absolute and undifferentiated.  Yet, we 
can logically conceive of a principle that represents the coincidence of all 
difference.  This is what Cusanus did to come up with his theory of the 
'Not-other'.  A century earlier, the Christian gnostic Eckhart had said:
"The divine One is a negation of negations.  Every creature contains a 
negation: one denies that it is the other.  [Even] an angel denies that it 
is any other creature; but God contains the denial of denials: He is the One 
who denies of every other that he is anything except himself."

If we consider finitude as the otherness that manifests the Whole, then the 
Whole represents the Source of existence minus our valuistic sensibility of 
it.  And if we apply the principle that nothingness divides and value 
unites, we might even realize the moral purpose of a free agent who brings 
value into existence as being.

> "Evolution" is a blast!  "Order" and "manifestation" are different.
> IMO "Order" resides in undefined consciousness.  DQ points
> at undefined consciousness for order. "Manifestations" reside in
> defined consciousness. SQ points at "defined" consciousness
> for "manifestations" and "defined words" used in definitions.
> Order/Manifestation.

(It's a shame you use so many quoted words and have no functional quotation 
marks to cite them.)  But for me, dividing order from manifestation is just 
another way to compartmentalize existence which is itself an ordered 
manifestation.  Since everything in existence is differentiated, what's the 
point of categorizing it into meaningless levels and patterns?  The 
philosophical questions are: Where does it begin, what supports it, and why 
are we here?   In the absence of a primary source, those questions remain 
unresolved.

Your musical scale analogy is one kind of relational scheme, but its 
significance still escapes me.  And since I'm not especially interested in 
culture or evolution, I'll stop here.  But thanks for giving me the benefit 
of your opinions, Joe.

Essentially yours,
Ham

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Orders of manifestations are a tongue twister DQ/SQ.  Evolution is a
metaphor for an order in ³existence²?  ³Evolution² is DQ/SQ.  The whole
thought of levels of existence is metaphorical.  An analogy for seven levels
in existence is the musical scale of sound, DO, Re, Mi__Fa, Sol, La, Ti__DO.
The vibrations are doubled, in a new octave, for greater variety.  Seven
individual levels of existence which can become many more in doubling in an
individual for variety, keeping the same relationships?  Existence is a
metaphor?

³³Culture² hands me a set of glassesSS².  Culture is not an ³undefined² in
my consciousness.  Culture is defined in words.  How is it then that
sometimes: What I do is not what I wish to do?  My actions can have a dual
motivation from evolution (undefined) and from culture (defined). Culture,
mechanical, steals my conscious individuality from cosmic evolution by words
and actions.  Historically personal responsibility is accountable to a
changing morality! The Ten Commandments are of recent vintage. Individual
manifestation follows a law of three e.g. the three aspects of ³a word²!
Culture manifests in physics, consciousness manifests in metaphysics,
evolution.

Evolution is described in historical or cosmological events.  Order is,
ascending or descending DQ, consciousness? Culture is a manifestation, SQ.
Evolution is an order in existence?

IMO

Joe