[MD] First split
Magnus Berg
McMagnus at home.se
Thu May 15 06:16:46 PDT 2008
Hi Craig
craigerb at comcast.net wrote:
> [Pirsig, via Magnus]
> "In the Metaphysics of Quality 'causation' is a metaphysical term that can be
> replaced by 'value.' To say that 'A causes B' or to say that 'B values
> precondition A' is to say the same thing. The difference is one of words only.
> Instead of saying 'A magnet causes iron filings to move toward it,' you can say
> 'Iron filings value movement toward a magnet.'"
>
> Magnus,
> This quote has always bothered me. To me, the PRE-condition is the iron
> filings lying inert. The POST-condition (= result) is the iron filings moving
> toward the magnet. So 'A causes B' is to say that 'B values the POST-condition
> which results from A'.
> Which one of us (Pirsig or me) has it right?
> Craig
I haven't dissected that quote quite as much as you have, but I'm not sure
changing it into a postcondition helps. If we say "B values the POST-condition
which results from A", then the quality event becomes somewhat recursive. The
event has to be performed before B can value the result or not.
So I think we need to stick with PRE-condition.
However, perhaps we should add "so it does" to the original quote to clarify. It
then becomes:
"Iron filings value movement toward a magnet, so it does."
Does that make sense to you?
Magnus
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