[MD] Fw: Chance

[David M]

 Hi Arlo

 Thanks for clarification. I think saying 'chance' is not the best choice as
 it may carry as much baggage as saying 'design'. I think dynamic and
 emergent  are better words for the variety and possibilities that are 
available so
 that patterns can evolve and change and become more complex. Does chance
imply that any possibility will do? Is it not important in the MOQ that 
possible
patterns/forms/behaviours that are good, valuable, with quality, can prevail 
over those
with less? Is the cosmos just a random walk for you if you only see 
'chance'?

thanks
David M



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>> [DM]
>> But is not all activity-experience value based and therefore active 
>> quality
>> seeking rather than simply chance for Pirsig?
>>
>> [Arlo]
>> I was really talking about the overarching teleology and not that the 
>> immediate
>> activity of any individual is not value-oriented. Of course it is. My 
>> point is
>> that inorganic patterns did not "decide" to create biological cells. Nor 
>> was
>> the appearance of biological cells the result of some "divine plan" or 
>> willful
>> volition of an "intelligent designer".
>>
>> To use Pirsig's example, the first subatomic joining to create Carbon was 
>> not
>> planned, ordered or destined. Nor was it the willful act of inorganic 
>> patterns
>> to "create something better able to respond to DQ". It was a "chance" 
>> merging
>> from which followed a resounding "AHA!" (to use a metaphor).
>>
>> In short, patterns are after-the-fact remains of high quality chance 
>> events.
>> This is why I say that "Quality" was perfectly happy for millions of 
>> years of
>> dino rule. The asteroid (to use a simplistic descriptor) that wiped them 
>> out
>> was not "planned to make way for homo sapiens". There was no divine plan 
>> to
>> turn dinos into oil for the eventual creation of Man, Glorious Man.
>>
>>
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