[MD] Pattern

[Marsha]

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From: "Krimel" <Krimel at Krimel.com>
To: <moq_discuss at moqtalk.org>
Sent: Sunday, May 18, 2008 4:34 PM
Subject: Re: [MD] Pattern


> [Marsha]
> Talking about patterns, not insinuating objective anything might be 
> useful.
> I've been thinking about the guitar.  I cannot imagine that there is much 
> to
>
> our shared experience, not even form, or color, or experienced music.  Of
> course I love how Jimi Hendrix transformed R&R, but that's not my most 
> loved
>
> guitar experience.  You wrote of  'subjective experience', but that's just
> more talk of patterns.  At the moment I'm not sure how to best talk about
> our shared experience.  Maybe at best we can say is that we share the
> experience of being comprised of patterns.
>
> [Krimel]
> Maybe one way to talk about shared experience is to share an experience.
> Here is another guitar experience I had: My Dad bought my younger brother 
> a
> used Alverez classical guitar. The bridge had been torn off but my father,
> being something a craftsman decided he could fix it and eventually he did.
> In time the guitar fell into the hands of my eldest who had spent three 
> week
> during the summer on a science field trip in rain forests of Costa Rica. 
> The
> marks of craftsmanship that scared the face of that old guitar were
> transformed into an acrylic painting of a sea turtle burying her eggs on a
> bit of Caribbean beach shadowed by moonlight.

I've had since the 70s, my grandfather's guitar which he brought from 
Germany.  It had two necks, one with the standard 6 strings, and a bass with 
4 strings.  It's in terrible condition but I've lugged it from place to 
place.  -  My husband played classical guitar, from Bach to Albeniz.  My 
first exposure to Spain was listening to the Concierto De Aranjuez.  -  I've 
been to only one Rock concert, but I've been to concerts of Segovia (at 91), 
John Williams, Christopher Parkening, Narcisco Yepes, Paco Pena, Pepe Romeno 
and others.  -  I studied classical guitar for 4 years.  I would wake-up at 
4:00a.m. and practice until 6:30, and then get ready for work.  My husband 
became jealous of my guitar teacher, so I stopped playing.  I still have my 
guitar.  It is a Takemine, and still I think it's the most beautiful I own.


>
> [Marsha]
> What is interesting to me is how quickly these conceptual patterns overlay
> direct perception.  When I was reading of your guitar experience, my 
> guitar
> experiences immediately filled my mind and became predominate.  I can
> understand how having preintellectual experiences are thwarted by the 
> speed
> of existing patterns automatically dominating.  It's the 'automatically'
> that is troublesome.  And of course thinking it is in some way directly
> connected to the momentary experience.
>
> [Krimel]
> On the other hand our experiences today can overlap in ways that have 
> never
> been possible before. I mention random access a lot. I favor a movement to
> have Google named a third lobe of the brain. We can search for traces of 
> our
> own words in the MoQ archives.
>
> But specifically with regards to shared experience I'll bet our shared
> experiences are nearly identical. I "know" of Jimi Hendricks through
> listening to the very same recordings you may have listened to. I'll bet 
> you
> could hum your way through "All Along the Watchtower" better than I could.
> I've see film of him burning his guitar at Monterey and wailing the 
> national
> anthem at Woodstock. If you have seen those films you and I have shared
> nearly identical experiences.
>

Sure I've seen those things on the television, but that's not my guitar 
experience.  I did love Jimi Hendrix.  Who didn't?   But I doubt that we had 
identical experiences.  I'm sure we didn't.


> [Marsha]
> In Buddhism, the purpose of their logic, especially the use of the double
> negative, is to take one eventually to the emptiness of self.
>
> [Krimel]
> The Zen koans are marvelous antidotes for calcified thinking.
>

What I'm reading doesn't sound calcified.  It's exciting and challenging, a 
different kind of koan.  But this is not a right way /wrong way kind of 
thing.  I just think that those opposite-from-non-?????s fit 
static-patterns-of-value.  Useful, but empty.  And again, not comprised of 
words.

Want to talk more about guitars?


Marsha

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