[MD] chasing ghosts

[Heather Perella]

> > Marsha previously:
> >> Flesh and blood are ghosts.  But a ghost still
> holds some power.



> > SA previously:  I don't know what we're talking
about.  Do
> you?
> > Are we talking about the same event?  You said in
> one
> > of these posts, "We choose to choose".  What does
> this
> > have to do with anything?  This is getting all
> jumbled
> > up.

Marsha: 
> A chariot (flesh or blood) does not inherently exist
> because of not being 
> its parts, not being other than its parts, not being
> in its parts, not being 
> that in which its parts exist, not possessing its
> parts, not being the 
> composite of its parts, and not being the shape of
> its parts.

SA:  Ok, parts are not whole thing.  Chariot, though,
this is where I could see ghost fitting in.  Not with
the whole parts are not the whole, deal, but Chariot,
a cultural item, anything cultural, this is getting
into ghosts.  Ghosts are invisible, but I can see them
- same as, thoughts are invisible, but I can see them:
 thus, ghosts and thoughts are not honestly invisible.
 Our bodies are a lump of meat, but then they are
active, and do something according to motivations and
intentions.  Where are these motivations and
intentions?  Ghosts.  Ever see "Ghost in the Shell",
awesome, awesome, awesome anime movie.  It is highly
intellectual and fun.  This might explain more
(quantitatively) for the movie is over an hour long.  

Marsha: 
> Ghosts.  I cannot explain why I'm in this particular
> rabbit hole, but here I 
> am.  Wondering why opposite-from-non-self' is
> sooooooooooo strange.   I mean 
> how can I do this by myself when there is no self?  
> I'm all for compassion, 
> but I think there's also something to say for
> unpolluted.

SA:  I don't get this "no self", due to the third
stanza of the famous koan where 'mountains are
mountains again and rivers are rivers again'.  The "no
self" seems to be the second stanza where 'mountains
are not mountains and rivers are not rivers'.


Marsha:
> 'In choosing you choose' seemed to fit nicely after:
> 
>    "in breath you breath,
>     in heartbeat you beat,
>     in dream you dream,
>     in walking you walk"


SA:  I guess my intent was to mix the ghost in with
the skin - no separation, thus, breathing and
heartbeating are easily seen, walking is too, but
dreams?, they are more ghostly, but I combined these
all together in the same line of thought to point out
that the ghost lives through our skin and is our skin.
 Cybernetics.  IA.  Something in that direction helps
to understand what I mean.


Marsha: 
> I still think of choosing as a moral action.
> I'm babbling, aren't I?  Sorry.


SA:  Choosing is definitely moral.  Babbling, I do
that quite a bit myself to see what will emerge from
the social level into the intellectual.  As for
questions being ghosts, I hope you understand I was
trying to identify where I'm going with these ghosts. 
Nothing wrong with questions.  It's natural.


SA