[MD] Truth and the Linguistic Turn
David M
davidint at blueyonder.co.uk
Mon May 26 09:05:19 PDT 2008
DM: I wonder. Is there more to thinking than language? Is language all SQ,
all repeatability and
recurrence? Maybe. Maybe where language is not enough we need DQ, we need
thining, where
by talking about thinking we evoke DQ, the need for something new, new
metaphors,
new language. There is always DQ, the unique, the new, the yet to be
captured by language-SQ.
When the same again, the familiar, SQ, is not enough we need inspiration, we
need to seek
for something more than what is already to hand. To think, to really think,
requires making
time and room for DQ to emerge. Such is creative thinking perhaps?
Krimel said:
One thing that strikes me about you comments here is that as you describe it
and whatever form we give to reality or our conceptions of reality it
eventually assumes a kind of binary form. Extremes are indentified. I can
not account for why this is but this bifurcation seems nearly universal. Our
concepts seem to always assume this binary polarity. Why not triads or
quartettes? To me this strikes at the heart of the Taoist metaphysics that
Pirsig adopts. We see patterns in terms of their extreme manifestations;
their poles. We construct opposites out of whatever phenomena present
themselves to us whether actual or conceptual. I am torn as to whether this
is a metaphysical or a psychological principle or whether a distinction
between the two is even possible.
Matt:
I think it's because splitting things into two is the most basic form of
reasoning in abstraction (as Pirsig noted with his "analytic knife"). As
soon as humans acquired the ability to think abstractly, they eventually
discovered the rules of logic and negation is one of the basic things you
need for reasoning to even occur. The differentiation process can only
happen if you can distinguish between a thing and a not-thing. Like truth,
binaries are fundamental, but not nearly as interesting or powerful as Plato
thought.
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