[MD] Chance

[David M]

> [DM]
> I think the whole idea of determinism suggest there is
> one path not many possible paths. Either Krim is
> evading this or he is using determinism to just mean
> caused like throwing the dice causes the number
> six to appear but 1,2,3,4 and five could also have
> been caused, therefore the process is open and
> has many possible outcomes, i.e. no particular
> outcome is determined. Either chance or choice
> selects such possible options. Quality suggests what may
> motivate these choices. Of course there is choice
> for something good and choice to deter something
> with bad quality. The hot stove is all about bad quality is
> it not?
>
> [Krimel]
> Every time a six is rolled at different nest of causality is invoked; 
> never
> the same "chain" twice. When we seek after the web that produced a
> particular result it is a post hoc analysis. The notion that the dice
> chooses to land is a particular way is absurd.


DM: The choice of metaphor orn analogy is open and one person's absurdity is
another's insight. I'd feel less abused if you said it was not useful for 
you rather
than absurd. But I am, luckily, not sensitive. It may come down to a quantum
state being resolved to get such  a six. I might say the electron chooses 
it's
position. A different metaphor might be to say it 'jumps'. Irony lost on 
you?
My point: your certainty about a animate/inanimate distinction at this level
is far from clear or upheld by anyone. If electron's don't jump what do they
do? Do they follow orders? Can they just not keep still? My metaphors are
no worse than yours, I suggest you need to better remember that your
words are analogies/metaphors too.