[MD] Chance

[Marsha]

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Krimel" <Krimel at Krimel.com>
To: <moq_discuss at moqtalk.org>
Sent: Wednesday, May 28, 2008 11:06 AM
Subject: Re: [MD] Chance


>>> Krim: It allows an purely naturalistic universe in which things
>>> evolve slowly from the bottom up.
>>>
>>> DM: Does anyone here disagree?
>>>
>>> [Krimel]
>>> I suspect some do but do they? Anyone? Anyone?
>>
>> [Marsha]
>> I do not like the top-down or bottom-up model.  I like the Net Of Jewels
>> Model:  The universe is uncaused, like a net of jewels in which each is
>> only the reflection of all the others in a fantastic interrelated harmony
>> without end.
>>
>> [Krimel]
>> Could just be me but this makes not a bit of sense. I can't for the life
>> of me see the middle way between top down and bottom up leading anywhere.
>
> Marsha
> I haven't taken the net of jewels model to represent the middle way.  It's
> how I see it, 'interconnected reflections', or interconnected, overlapping
> patterns.  I have never been terribly comfortable with a hierarchical
> structure because it forbids the possibility of overlapping categories.
> Though, it is favored in the sciences, isn't it?  And very patriarchal.
> Besides, where is it you want to be lead?  Who's on top?  How utterly
> boring?
>
> [Krimel]
> As long as I can pitcher rather than catch I don't care what position I
> play. But it is still hard for me to see how a metaphor about the
> decorations surrounding a Hindu god's palace explains the origin and
> evolution of the universe. Neither does it seem a good way to sidestep
> patriarchy. Indra's a god dude after all and isn't Hinduism the home of 
> the
> caste system? How hierarchical is that?

Greetings Krimel,

A baseball metaphor?  Isn't that a sport where money and steroids are tossed 
around?

You asked about models other than top-down/bottom-up?  I presented the one I 
find useful.  For me, the words 'reflection' and 'interrelated' are key.  I 
seem to be consciousness on the move, so I don't have a solid, convincing 
argument.  The logic behind emptiness seems an interesting explanation. 
Emptiness is more appropriate associated with Buddhism's middleway.  -  I'm 
going to ignore your reference to Hinduism, religion doesn't make any sense 
to me.  Yet the net of jewels model makes perfect sense.  Painting is more 
like my religion.

Marsha