[MD] Democracy

[Christoffer Ivarsson]

Hi Bo

> Chris had written:
>> The fact of the matter remains: Democracy, which is a certain way of
>> governing people, is NOT of the intellectual level as such, because it
>> is a social pattern. It may be used to lift up intellectual values,
>> intellectual values that has truth at it's core, but it can just as
>> easily not be. This is not an issue about words, nor is it SOM
>> thinking.

Bo replied:
> You seemingly hold that any kind of government is a social pattern be
> it despotism or democracy  and protest my pointing out that a lower
> pattern (and despotism is the rock bottom social rule) may be
> overlaid/controlled by  intellect. But you contradicted yourself in the
> next post by saying
>
>    "Indeed I do. Real socialism for me means real democracy.
>    Real socialism to me means a society where people have the
>    time and the means to fully exercise a intellectually guided
>    democracy. I that isn't so, then it isn't a socialist society in my
>    book."
>
> ".... fully exercise a intellectually guided democracy"  is correct in the
> sense that socialism, social-democracy, right wing, left wing, any
> shade of poltical view in between are solidly inside the democratic-
> parliamentary kind of rule. The true social level is so totally different
> that I find it difficult to take this serious.
>
> Bodvar

I do not disagree that a lower level pattern may be overlaid and controlled 
by a higher one, all I'm saying is that  intellect doesn't control the 
social level only because we have democracy. Intellect controls the social 
level when intellectual values are always more central than social ones. I 
can imagine that when everyone within a democracy let's rationality 
supersede social level values every time they are in conflict - that would 
be the ideal state for the intellectual level.

Regards

Chris