[MD] Democracy

[MarshaV]

At 06:08 AM 11/2/2008, you wrote:
>Hi Horse
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>On 2 Nov.u wrote:
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> > Hi Platt, Bo and others
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> > So can you give me an instance of where Pirsig specifically equates
> > reason with SOM.
>
>I doubt if the term (reason) is used other than in the said "reasoning"
>context, not to speak of  "....specifically equating reason with SOM",
>but French has its "Raison" and German its "Vernunft" that has a more
>objective ring to it than merely drawing conclusions. And that
>SOM=objectivity you can hardly deny*).
>
>BTW. This exemplifies the point that keep surfacing again and again.
> >From the inside intellect reason is the ability to think, while the MOQ
>sees reason as the ability to distinguish between what's TRUE
>(objective) and what's superstition, faith, belief (subjective) ... and that
>this is the highest static value!
>
>Bo
>
>PS
>*) the "SOM=Objectivity" assertion sounds a bit strange these days,
>after all the idealists claim that (objective seen) everything is subjective
>(mind).

Bo,

Do not include me.  I do not think everything is subjective.  Subject 
and object are co-dependent.  There is extramental form.  Seeing, 
tasting, feeling, smelling, hearing is direct experience,,, knowing 
is a conceptual experience.  That's my interpretation.  But I 
definitely think there is natural phenomenon, but not objects.





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