[MD] Emotions' place?

[Platt Holden]

Hi Andre,

> Andre to Platt:
> 
> I am referring here to your own experiece in America. And it appears to
> me
> that what you are hearing , seeing and feeling IS NOT REPRESENTED BY ANY
> HUMAN BEING AT ALL! It creates what it wants to justify and justifies
> what
> it has created in the name of intellect.
> 
> Platt:
> 
> Examples?
> 
> Andre:
> 
> The example of Iraq, to which I have just responded.
> 
> The example of the financial crisis, discussed widely here, where people
> nearly fell off their seats (so it seemed) finding out what had been
> going
> on behind the scenes and behind your own backs.The creation of money out
> of
> thin air and devising very complicated structures to somehow have this
> money
> materialise...with all the associated (world wide) consequences.
> 
> In general, what I am getting at Platt, is the wheeling and dealing, the
> scheming,the manipulating in Governments' and business' back rooms.
> 
> Things we are not privy to, we always seem to find out well after the
> fact.

Point well taken. Government should be an open book. Business, however, is 
another story. To deny it a right to privacy assumes it exists only by 
permission of government. Of course, such presumption kills a free market. 

> Platt:
> 
> Harmony? The intellectual level as seen from the MOQ perspective doesn't
> recognize any moral levels at all --social, biological, or organic --
> because it doesn't recognize morals except as being randomly subjective.
> 
> Andre:
> 
> Unfortunately you are correct Platt. Do you agree that the way forward
> is
> the MoQ way of thinking? That is what we are trying to do here I
> thought...to find ways of creating more 'harmony' with and within our
> parent
> level?

Sure. Let's not forgot to "harmonize" we need to encourage breaking the 
bounds of social level conformity without weakening the social level's role 
in keeping murderous biological patterns at bay.   

> Platt:
> 
> He says suffering drives moral evolution. But you'll have to show me
> where
> he says one has to suffer to have pure experience prior to concepts.
> 
> Andre:
> 
> I didn't put this very clearly Platt. I should have said that the
> appreciation of freedom can only be fully understood after having
> suffered
> un-freedom.

Excellent point. I fully agree. 

> And I am referring to things we as Westerners take for granted.
> Here in China, I have to watch what I say in class!
> People here are allowed to think what they like but are not allowed to
> act
> on these if it is not approved by the Party. There is no freedom of
> movement, no freedom of speech etc etc.
> 
> Hope I have clarified this.

Yes, thanks! Something we in the West who value freedom must guard against. 
I fear laws being proposed to punish so called "hate speech" move in the 
direction of Chinese Party tyranny.. 

By the way, I think you've answered my question in a previous post, "What 
am I missing?" 

Platt