[MD] Congratulations America!

[Ian Glendinning]

Mati, DMB,

Yes, yes, yes, it is good rhetoric that changes reality for the better.

The Pirsigian project of restoring rhetoric to its rightful place
achieved. Communication for good ... thought AND speech ... I like
that DMB.

Ian

On Fri, Nov 7, 2008 at 1:42 AM, KAYE PALM-LEIS <mkpalm at wildblue.net> wrote:
> Bo, Gav, Ian and all,
>
> Gav I certainly understand your cynicism and it is well founded.
> Washington has become so static in various social bi-partisanship
> dominated by the Republicans over the past 8 years it is sad.  Bush
> has shown such a lack of leadership that the US presidency vacuum of
> any true power and leadership.  It is my hope that Obama gets this and
> will do better.  I am betting that Obama will be one of the most
> watched and followed president we have had.  I hope that he will lead
> with quality.
>
> Ian wrote, " I genuinely believe Obama is well-intentioned,
> well-adjusted,intelligent, pragmatic, compassionate, etc and that he
> knows rhetoric from reality .... and I suspect sadly he is lready
> hamstrung by theongoing economic realities. But what should we do to
> help real change
> for the better ?
>
> Mati: Yeah you said it well.  But that is the beauty of true
> leadership in action in that it can transcend various realities and
> reconstruct its own.  Yes the economic condition is hurdle to be
> reckoned with, however real change for quality is possible given a
> vision and willingness and intelligence to persue it.  Lets see what
> Obama has to offer.
>
> Bo,  you wrote:  "We ought to at least, but intellect's tentacles are
> tough and even Pirsig wasn't able to free himself from them by his
> insisting that the MOQ is an intellectual pattern. It started as one,
> but then took off on a purpose of its own.
>
> and
>
> "Neo intellect  ... must you?"
>
> Mati: My apology but I couldn't resist.  I am in agreement that MOQ
> was born from intellect and is not intellet SOM, but it does function
> as a new metaphysical tool that functions in some cases like SOM in
> that it we use it as a philosophical/reflective  tool to delineate and
> define reality. To just say MOQ is MOQ and not intellect doesn't
> discribe how it functions (or it own purpose)  or gives us a basis to
> understand its difference.  Perhaps Neo Intellect isn't perfect but I
> thought it wasn't a bad shot. My father used to love to share the
> Estonian saying "to do better is never forbidden."  :-)
>
> Mati
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