[MD] emergence and logic

[X Acto]

Ron:
To all who are interested, in light of the current topic of discussions, of how two types of logical systems
process data, I have found a very elegant illustration of this concept in a description of how it functions
in computer programming. Reflective or self-referential programming is an autopoietic system.

Reflection-oriented programming, or reflective programming, is a functional extension to the object-oriented 
programming paradigm. Reflection-oriented programming includes self-examination, self-modification, and 
self-replication. However, the emphasis of the reflection-oriented paradigm is dynamic program modification, 
which can be determined and executed at runtime. Some imperative approaches, such as procedural and 
object-oriented programming paradigms, specify that there is an exact predetermined sequence of operations 
with which to process data. The reflection-oriented programming paradigm, however, adds that program 
instructions can be modified dynamically at runtime and invoked in their modified state. That is, the program 
architecture itself can be decided at runtime based upon the data, services, and specific operations that are 
applicable at runtime.-wiki

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reflection_(computer_science)

 



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From: kieffer odigaunt <kieffer.odigaunt at googlemail.com>
To: moq_discuss at moqtalk.org
Sent: Friday, November 7, 2008 8:48:06 AM
Subject: Re: [MD] emergence

Hi Gav,

2008/11/7 gav <gav_gc at yahoo.com.au>

>
> in the MOQ we call the force/agency that accounts for the evolution of
> novel elements DQ. but what are we saying? we can't define DQ but we can
> examine how it operates.
>

agree

but

> (random mutations is an explanation that doesn't stack up, when are we
> gonna drop that turd?).


the mutations may be random but natural selection is what drives evolution;
that double spiral is the where all the action is - coming in ever more
complex forms for freedom

if we look at evolution as being teleological, and the MOQ does of course,
> what we are saying is that we are evolving *towards something*; ie the
> future in some way is already known, it is dreamed first and this dream is
> the attractor that pulls evolution towards it.


no, the future is unknown but we are free to guess what it might be, that is
intellect



> we know in the MOQ that the future and past are left brain projections that
> we use to order timeless immediate reality,


through learning and experience we are able to recognise more complex
patterns, but one part is more interesting, more dynamic  - and there we go


ie we know that time and space are patterns not absolutes, therefore we know
> that we have access to all time, now.


not unlimited access - we can only guess - educated guesses


> this is the realm of dream of myth of magic.


yes, the virtual!


> and it is this realm that literally gives birth to the world, every moment.


yes, you are kali!


    amazing that myth equals falsity in our modern language, when it is the
keeper/creator of truth.

trying to personify DQ - but it cannot be named



> the hindus say we go through 26000 year cycles of forgetting and
> remembering, forgetting and remembering...we are at the very end of one of
> those cycles now.  are we about to remember the dream?....


wish fullfilment, is more always better? or shall a man live for 1000 years?

-KO
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