[MD] The Menu/Reality issue

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Hello again Ron
 
On 11 Nov. you wrote:

> It is the Ron you know, I hope this fact does not lead you to tune my
> words out.

Ok, good to know.
 
Ron originally
>  MoQ dissolves S/O by saying they are both static patterns
> >of value. Both the menu and the reality we percieve. SOM typically
> >understands that "entities" and "entites understood" are the same in
> >objective reason and are assumed as reality itself. much the way you
> >posit MoQ as being reality itself when MoQ specifically states as a
> >core tenet that reality, Quality, is dynamic and may not be definedthat 
> >nor understood less it become static. 
 
Bo replied:
> It's difficult to catch your meaning, at the least the MOQ dissolves
> SOM by making the S/O aggregate *) its own intellectual level! Inside
> that level however the "S" corresponds to the menu and the "O" to
> reality, thus if the MOQ is regarded an intellectual pattern it
> becomes a menu describing MOQ .... and the Quality Idea is gone with
> the windn

Ron again:
> Slow that down for me, walk me through this, you say the MoQ
> dissolves the s/o split by encasing it within itself as the
> intellectual level, leaving MoQ as a meta-level a 5th level if you
> will (reality you say). Would you please define for me then how
> MoQ(reality) dissolves s/o with DQ/SQ ?

You know ancient (Greek) physics' famous paradoxes that bothered 
physicists up to Newton's time? His new physics did not solve these 
paradoxes, but merely showed that they were created by faulty 
premises and so they just dissolved. SOM can be compared to Greek 
physics, its faulty premises is that reality is subject/object-divided 
which creates (among other) the mind/matter enigma. 

This enigma is the fact that no matter how far one pursues matter no 
bridge to mind is found (and vice versa), yet mind (thoughts) 
influences matter (body) and stuff alters mind all the time. MOQ's new 
dynamic/static divide and its relegating SOM a place inside its static 
range (intellect) makes the said mind/matter paradox go pooof! It's not 
two worlds apart but an aggregate. 

Orthodoxy's way of encasing SOM (that the two lower levels are 
matter and the two upper are mind does neither solve nor dissolve 
anything, Pirsig says that it does by the introduction of the two middle 
levels between "inorgany" and intellect, but this makes  Intellect=mind 
and as admitted (by RMP) in the PT letter, intellect=mind=thinking  is 
the source of all troubles. Besides the missing bridge merely moves to 
the social-biological "gap".               
 
Any wiser? The below I commented in the previous post

Bo 

> so in effect, in your interpretation the order would be:
> 1: MoQ (reality)
> 2: SOM (intellect)
> 3: social
> 4: organic
> 5: inorganic
> 
> By traditional logical systems, this hierarchy is incomplete and
> inconsistent. please explain the emergence of the inorganic level from
> reality. Please explain how this interpretation differs from
> subjectivism or solopsism.
> 
> Thank you Bo