[MD] The Menu/Reality issue

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Steve 

16 Nov. you wrote:

> Long time no see. I hope you are well.

Considering my age  .... 

I had said:
> > And yet Ian, this is SOM or intellect. Objectivity (knowledge) vs
> > Subjective (mind-games). The preceding social level had no such
> > distinction (I won't start on that again) nor does the MOQ 
> > subscribe to the S/O, but have relegated it the role of its highest
> > static. Now,  the static realm is the place to be if only understood
> > in the MOQ sense, but for the time being we circle aimlessly around
> > in some no-man's- land between SOM (intellect) and the MOQ (as
> > intellect too).

Steve:
> In Pirsig's MOQ, SOM and the the MOQ itself are menus not food or 
> maps not terrain. We don't need to circle around aimlessly, we can 
> choose the map we prefer.

I see you haven't grown in wisdom while absent ;-) I have commented 
this so often that I'm hard pressed to find a new angle. But if you 
noticed Marsha inadvertently revealed the issue. She thinks that 
SOM's: "our senses an subjective reflection of the objective reality" 
corresponds to MOQ's static/dynamic dichotomy. I think THAT says it.    

> The distinction is between experience and two different intellectual 
> descriptions of experience. Your menu/food confusion is due to the 
> fact that you do not view the MOQ as the MOQ describes itself, as an 
> intellectual pattern.

What will escape being intellectual descriptions by this criterion. It 
resembles Ron's about everything written about, thought about, 
spoken about is "intellectual", this makes experience - dynamic such - 
intellectual.  

Bo