[MD] Trance state

[Steven Peterson]

Hi Andre,

You said:
> I am trying just as hard to penetrate this intellectual immune system called
> SOM, which has been with us for a few thousand years ( the S/O division,
> arising out of the social level became the intellectual level)
> And the more I think about what Bodvar is trying to say, i.e saving DQ from
> the tentacles of SOM (which is the absolute essence of the MoQ), the more I
> think he is correct. To put it in simple language ( I like this because I am
> simple and we need to understand eachother) The  DQ 'part' cannot be
> intellectualised about, it cannot be part of the intellectual level ( the
> big container into the little one? Ha! DQ gave rise to intellect!)

DQ is not part of Pirsig's intellectual level.


> To then say, as Pirsig does, that the MoQ is (just) an Intellectual pattern
> of values ( In opposition to SOM because the SOM doesn't recognise
> values) is to reduce the MoQ to the SOM level because it cannot allow for
> DQ. In my simple reasoning: it only allows for the SQ... and the SQ has been
> raped by SOM!! IMHO.

The MOQ is an intellectual description of reality of which the MOQ is
a part. If the MOQ is not an intellectual pattern, then what do you
suppose it is? Pirsig claims that everyting fits into a four volume
encylcopedia plus DQ.

Regards,
Steve