[MD] Trance state

[skutvik at online.no]

GOF Ian

19 Nov.you wrote:

> We come full circle yet again ... to the finger and the moon, the map
> and the terrain, the menu and the meal ....

Yes, "the finger" is obscene  ;-)

> The Intellectualization of the MoQ (when put into these e-mails and
> other writings, and layered diagrams) is an intellectualization - an
> intellectual pattern ... static in any given intellectualized state
> but clearly a better pattern than SOMism and also clearly evolving
> with each expression / participation in real use.

Why  harp on the term "intellectualization" indicating something less 
than real? From the 4th levels "intellectual as different from the real 
article" the MOQ/QUALITY distinction is self-evident, but the MOQ 
does NOT subscribe to the S/O distinction ... in a metaphysical sense, 
yet we seem condemned to wander around in a no-man's land 
between Q-intellect (still as SOM) and the MOQ as an intellectual 
pattern.       

> An intellectualization (of the MoQ) is an intellectualization. The MoQ
> is the MoQ. Quality is Quality. DQ is DQ. Fingers (or words or
> intellects) pointing at any one them are fingers (or words or
> intellects). 

When are YOU gonna get uncomfortable with this silly finger/moon 
thing? The image of the heavenly body is just a subjective mindish 
secondary by-product - if you stick to intellect's S/O distinction and the 
MOQ is an alternative to SOM's platypus-spawnings. The MOQ 
revealed that the said platypis were caused by the S/O mistakenly 
being regarded as fundamental, while it as its own 4th.level it's a great 
static asset.     

> When are you guys ever gonna get comfortable with the recursion and
> just let the emergence happen ? Trying to better define the MoQ (in
> intellect) used to be called re-arranging deckchairs on the Titanic
> (sorry, no, e-arranging angels on the head of a pin)

Looks as if real thinkers never will be comfortable with "just forget that 
platypus and be happy" attitude.


Bo.