[MD] Instant Karma

[MarshaV]

Andre,

I like what you've written here.  When I first joined this forum, 
someone mentioned "creating a life using the code of art".  I thought 
that was the most wonderful statement I'd ever heard.  A fifth level 
as 'code of art' is as RMP has created it.


Marsha


p.s.  I consider some of the work done on the forum to be pattern busting.




At 10:23 AM 11/20/2008, you wrote:
>Dear All,
>
>Thank you for assisting me in trying to weave myself out of this slump, this
>mental block as I described it. After a while I remembered Pirsig's way of
>dealing with this...take a break, have a coffee...stare at the thing for a
>while. Well, I have and something came to me.
>
>Whether is is real or perceived I am concerned about the 'DQ' part of
>reality within the intellectual formulation called MoQ (Pirsigs own
>words).Maybe disagreements will remain about interpretations, however, for
>myself, I would like some clarity.
>
>To save the MoQ from the tentacles of SOM is what inspired the following
>thoughts:
>
>We keep on talking about the 4 static levels, the inorganic,organic,social
>and intellectual. And the 4 codes of morals: the inorganic-chaotic,
>biological- inorganic, social-biological, and intellectual-social. We are
>'stuck' (please bear with me) at the intellectual level.
>Pirsig himself has described the MoQ as a Static Intellectual Pattern of
>Values...an intellectual formulation. There are many intellectual PoV's
>identified but the one of concern to me, of course, is the SOM and its
>derivatives.
>For someone who describes his own discovery as somewhat akin to a Copernican
>revolution (sorry I've lost the page number) and to then place this
>breakthrough simply beside the SOM as a 'competing' intellectual pattern is
>incomprehensible to me and sells this discovery very short indeed! And I
>felt and still feel very uncomfortable with this.
>
>Reading your posts, sharing my reluctance/ confusion, wanting to believe
>Bodvar's reasoning,listening to others, getting feedback about: 'being',
>awareness', 'essentialism', lots of 'isms'etc, etc...I'm thinking: How am I
>going to make sense of all this stuff?' How am I going to sell this to my
>family'? How am I going to explain if not to my family or friends...to
>myself? ( When Pirsig says that even a child knows all this quality
>stuff!!).
>
>And then the first rememberance:
>
>There is another level above the ones already mentioned: the 5th code of
>morals: the Dynamic-static one! (Lila p307) and then it dawned on me...that
>is where the MoQ is!! It is the level earlier identified as the 'code of
>Art' (Lila p167).
>
>THE CODE OF ART = THE METAPHYSICS OF QUALITY!!!!!!!!! IT IS THE 5TH LEVEL
>CODE OF MORALS!! DYNAMIC MORALITY!!
>
>Pirsig argued/proved and rationally showed that 'art' is not a 'frill': that
>it underlines its importance! ( op cit, 167) The Dynamic-static code,says
>'what is good in life isn't defined by society *or* intellect or biology.
>
>And all of a sudden I found Static/Dynamic quality again (the very
>'foundation' upon which this MoQ is built and deduced)...not in the
>intellectual formulation (as Pirsig has it) no, but as a code of dynamic
>morality arising out of intellect...supreme to it.
>(I can accept SQ as Intell. PoV's but then they are high quality PoV's and
>SOM is low quality). And in this formulation they are kept within overall/
>overriding Quality.
>
>The MoQ is thus saved from attack and from being undermined by whatever
>intellectual pattern is around at present. The MoQ does not only subsume but
>also rises above this pattern.It remains dynamic. The MoQ can claim
>supremacy over the intellectual level. (this may be disputed by some of
>you).
>With the 'code of Art' as the 5th level, it has supremacy over Intellectual
>PoV's and DQ is saved.
>
>Given this rememberance lots of things fell into place: ZMM and Lila became
>inextricably linked. Lila not just a
>'follow up' to further work out the Quality idea...no, they are an integral
>part of eachother.
>
>Furthermore
>
>Pirsig has invited us to become ARTISTS, each in our own way. ( remember the
>'rotissary assembly as sculpting' conversation at the De Weeses' ( look,
>whether this is artistically ligitimate or not is not the point...the point
>was that Pirsig showed that YOU can put the thing together in your own way
>and that there is not just one, prescribed way, to do it)...the motorcycle
>maintenance...of course it is not (only) the machine you are working
>on ...the way Pirsig suggests a change to our education system...and the way
>we learn and  (re)discover our own potential (again in ZMM).
>
>All these things fall into place by caring, experiencing, and renewing each
>and every moment of our lives. Latching to make a foothold for the next
>step, creating our own works of art...in our work,our hobbies, our
>relationship with ourselves, with others and the universe.
>
>For some this may be 'old hat'. If it is..well this is my way of
>experiencing the MoQ...not too many words and concepts I do not
>understand..I mean I would like to make it clear to my 85 year old mother!!
>and my 24 year old daughter.I can now make clear to them that hey are both
>artists, in my mother doing her things and my daughter doing hers and, I
>think this is a good beginning for an MoQ discussion.
>
>Again I ask you to point to where I have erred or where I have gone totally
>off the rails.
>
>For now, thank you all: Bodvar, Platt, Ham, Steve, Ian,Ron, Mel,
>Chris,Marsha ( oh shit, I shouldn't do this... I'm bound to forget to
>mention one or two... ( you are in my heart okay????!) etc. etc.
>
>'And we all shine on, like the moon and the stars and the sun, yes we all
>shine on ( John Lennon, Instant Karma)
>
>For what it is worth.
>Andre
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