[MD] Lila = Divine Play

MarshaV marshalz at charter.net
Sun Nov 23 06:30:40 PST 2008 


Ian,

I'm interested in reading the essay by Wendy Ellyat.


Marsha



At 08:49 AM 11/23/2008, you wrote:
>Strange, I wonder why I hadn't noticed before ...
>Thanks Marsha
>
>On Sun, Nov 23, 2008 at 2:40 PM, MarshaV <marshalz at charter.net> wrote:
> > At 08:31 AM 11/23/2008, you wrote:
> >>
> >> Has anyone come across this before ?
> >
> > Ian,
> >
> > What?   Lila as "divine play"?  Divine play, game or dance?  Of course!
> >
> > Marsha
> >
> >
> >
> >> Lila = "divine play" - life as a spontaneous game played by
> >> lighthearted forces beyond our understanding. from Sri Aurobindo in
> >> "The Valley of the False Glimme"
> >>
> >> Quoted in an essay on "Inclusionality" by Wendy Ellyat. (I'll dig out
> >> a link or forward a copy if I can't find on-line.)
> >>
> >> Regards
> >> Ian
> >>
> >> On Sun, Nov 23, 2008 at 1:33 PM,  <skutvik at online.no> wrote:
> >> > Andrè and Steve
> >> >
> >> > On 22.:
> >> >
> >> > Steve:
> >> >> I'm still not seeing what you see
> >> >> as a problem. Maybe it would help me understand your point if you
> >> >> explained what an SOMist is to you.
> >> >
> >> > Gentlemen: SOM and "the S/O distinction" must be kept apart. I know
> >> > it's cumbersome to "dissolve metaphysical disputes..." constantly" but
> >> > SOM is the conviction that the s/o split is from eternity to eternity.
> >> > i.e. existence's very base, while the distinction is the said split as a
> >> > static VALUE (for value it is as Andrè says below) having seen trough
> >> > its bluff as a metaphysics. Knowing that the split will start to
> >> > produce paradoxes if taken metaphysically  ...and dissolve if pursued
> >> > "scientifically".
> >> >
> >> > Andre:
> >> >> Good question Steve and let me say first of all that we are in full
> >> >> agreement about most things concerning the MoQ.
> >> >
> >> >> I am also reluctant to call anything above the Intellectual level a
> >> >> 'level' in the same way that Pirsig suggested the term 'code' of
> >> >> which he first says it isn't code and then goes on to use the term
> >> >> 'code of Art' (p167) and repeats this on p 307 (Dynamic-static
> >> >> code). To be honest I was even toying with the idea that the MoQ is
> >> >> not a metaphysics at all (!) but I'd rather leave that to the
> >> >> experts.
> >> >
> >> >> First of all, I do not regard SOM as evil. Absolutely not. This
> >> >> rational, scientific approach has guided mankind to do many great
> >> >> things and prevented us from many a disaster. (mind you, it has
> >> >> caused some as well). Anyway, within the context of the MoQ I see
> >> >> SOM (Intell. PoV) as a potential threat for a number of reasons:
> >> >
> >> >> It has pervaded intellectual patterns to such an extent that it has
> >> >> assumed total ownership of our capacity to intellectualise.Both
> >> >> inductively and deductively. That is, not only how to, but also
> >> >> what's in it. All other influences upon our 'intellectualising'
> >> >> (just to be clear because this word also has connotations, I mean
> >> >> just thinking, our mental capacity [whatever that means..arrrgg]),
> >> >> tend to be reduced to subjective (in the negative of
> >> >> objective/scientific) frills. I am talking about intuition etc.
> >> >
> >> > One minor point. Andrè says that SOM have "pervaded intellectual
> >> > patterns", if this means "pervaded the level" I must blow my whistle.
> >> > In retrospect the 4th. level began as the conviction that there were
> >> > an objective reality (eternal principles) beyond the gods' realm, a
> >> > TRUTH that even transcends the gods. Thus the level began as a
> >> > "som",
> >> > it could not have developed as anything less, only the MOQ
> >> > transformed
> >> > it into ITS OWN 4th. level.
> >> >
> >> > Thus I must point out that "...SOM has pervaded intellectual patterns"
> >> > (provided it means the level) is a little misleading,  as if people of
> >> > old were "intellecualizing" when pondering their social reality, i.e.
> >> > it equalizes thinking and intellect making the latter identical to
> >> > SOM's "mind" - a mental compartment that can be filled with different
> >> > intellectualizations. Phew! Speak about resolving metaphysical
> >> > disputes at the end of each sentence.
> >> >
> >> > Now, I don't think Andrê really lapses back in SOM, so much of the
> >> > above is from pure MOQ premises, but it's the words' old somish  load
> >> > that keeps popping up. Also "thinking" is ambiguous, but enough for
> >> > now.
> >> >
> >> > Bodvar
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> >> >> It doesn' t recognise quality. It doesn't recognise morals.These
> >> >> sort of dangle at the edges somewhere.
> >> >>
> >> >> Perhaps an example is better:
> >> >>
> >> >> Suppose I have written a great song or poem...and suppose my teacher
> >> >> was a pure SOM'ist (I realise they do not come in that way but for
> >> >> the sake of the example) this person can shoot the song or poem down
> >> >> on the basis of not following the grammar rules properly or
> >> >> (ab)using meaning of different words I have put together in a
> >> >> different way.
> >> >>
> >> >> It reminds me of the film Dead Poet's Society with Robin Williams
> >> >> and the scene where the boys are told to tear the pages from their
> >> >> books defining good poetry, how to analyse good poetry and
> >> >> guidelines on how to write good poetry. He has the pages thrown into
> >> >> the rubbish bin.
> >> >>
> >> >> He then has them go outside and through various physical/mental
> >> >> (experiential) activities has each individual student 'find'
> >> >> himself, to find his own idea of what is good or what is not good.
> >> >> One can liken this process to Phaedrus' teaching methods.
> >> >>
> >> >> Pirsig has created a wonderful MoQ, for me it is a 'Code of Art'.
> >> >> And I don't want to see it shot down.
> >> >>
> >> >> In an earlier post I have reasserted the quality of SOM. It can
> >> >> continue to assist us, it can keep us on the straight and narrow.
> >> >> It's just that the MoQ has redefined this straight and shown that
> >> >> this narrow can be as broad as you like.
> >> >>
> >> >> I hope I have clarified it a bit Steve. I am not anti SOM, I just
> >> >> want to restrain its potential influence a bit over this MoQ. I hope
> >> >> I have done this for some of you, and know I have done this at least
> >> >> for myself.
> >> >>
> >> >> Kind regards
> >> >> Andre
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