[MD] Trance state

[MarshaV]

At 05:02 AM 11/24/2008, you wrote:
>Hello Steve and Ian.
>
>23 Nov.Steve wrote to Ian who had said:
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> > > Only in SOMism do we think of "a metaphysics" as an object to be
> > > defined distinct from reality.
>
>Steve:
> > In the MOQ, a metaphysics is not an object or a subject. It is an idea
> > or collection of ideas. It is an intellectual pattern of value. It is
> > not distinct from reality. It is part of the reality it describes. If
> > it couldn't describe itself, it wouldn't be much of a metaphysics.
>
>I agree with Ian. With SOM the term "metaphysics" as the most basic
>understanding of reality was born. In other words SOM began as the
>attitude that we are able to understand the workings of reality. This is
>the "cosmologist" (objectivity) but along with it subjectivity  immediately
>came into existence (the Sophists). And ever since the S and the O
>has been involved in a see-saw play: .
>
>Ian says "...we think of a metaphysics as an object to be
>defined distinct from reality"  may be true for some, but the most
>common variety is metaphysics as a subjective theory about objective
>reality, The point is the original Greek "primary/secondary" dichotomy
>began with Truth/Appearance" (Socrates) and what Plato made into
>"Ideas/Shadows" and Aristotle into: "Substance/Form" ...where the
>modern scientific (matter/mind) attitude was born.
>
>Steve's "In the MOQ, a metaphysics is not an object or a subject"
>brings "metaphysics" out of SOM-land, but then to say that "...it is a
>collection of ideas" brings it back again and "..it is not distinct from
>reality" retrieves it. It's like LILA that starts with the correct Q view of
>metaphysics as reality itself "No one living in an ordered universe is
>outside metaphysics", but then switches to  reality as the objective part
>and metaphysics (the MOQ included) the subjective part   .. and SOM
>rules the waves.
>
>Bo


Bo,

Metaphysics is a pattern, a metaphysics is a pattern, an 
interrelated, interconnected spov.  Yes?

Marsha









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The Universe is uncaused, like a net of jewels in which each is a 
reflection of all the others in a fantastic, interrelated harmony without end.
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