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[MarshaV]

At 01:49 PM 11/27/2008, KO wrote:

>Marsha, you know i was referring to Pao-t'ung's message;
>all those other shores, true sources, original face, unborn,
>free spirits, etc etc - it is too vague.

KO,

I presented this quote because it refers to the raft parable, that 
is, needing assistance until one realizes fully.


>And the last two sentences - why does he have to be so
>obscure?

Some of the MOQ seems obscure.  Is it?


>I suppose if all that stuff doesnt make sense to me that
>must mean that i am not spiritual enough, or not
>compassionate enough, or not sensitive enough.

Not so.  It may mean that you are not familiar with the raft parable 
and its association.


>I like the Tao Te Ching alright but that passage only
>depresses me.

I would imagine that raft comes in many shapes and colors.  The MOQ 
would be one of them.


>I cant give you an interpretation because
>the passage is just too inpenetrable for me.

Okay.  I thought there was some in particular you wanted to challenge.

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>2008/11/27 MarshaV <marshalz at charter.net>
>
> >
> > KO,
> >
> > I'd be curious to what message you are questioning, and your interpretation
> > of it?
> >
> > Marsha
> >
> >
> >
> > At 05:23 AM 11/27/2008, you wrote:
> >
> >> Marhsa, are you open to the idea that the message may
> >>be misleading, impractical and impossible;

I am open to the fact that the message may be beyond my 
understanding.  I worry about this.  I sometimes wish I had a 
teacher, but I've heard RamDas say a teacher will play to the 
expectations of the student.  -  No, I do not think it is 
impractical.  Impossible?  Sometimes.


> >>  it is scary to cast off ideas that we have clung
> >> to for years.

Sometimes it's hard, sometimes it easy.  Sometimes it is hard because 
it's so easy.


Marsha




> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> 2008/11/27 MarshaV <marshalz at charter.net>
> >>
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > I do not doubt it.
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > At 03:01 AM 11/27/2008, you wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> ... and you really credit this Marsha?
> >> >>
> >> >> -KO
> >> >>
> >> >> 2008/11/27 MarshaV <marshalz at charter.net>
> >> >>
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> > "Pao-t'ung says "The sutras say to cross a river we need a raft, but
> >> >> once
> >> >> > we reach the other shore, we no longer need it.  If a person resolves
> >> to
> >> >> > find their trur source and plumbs the depths of reason and nature,
> >> they
> >> >> will
> >> >> > see their original face and instantly awaken to what is unborn.  This
> >> is
> >> >> to
> >> >> > reach the other shore.  And once they are there, they are there
> >> forever.
> >> >> >  They don't need to return again.  They will be free spirits
> >> unconcerned
> >> >> > with material things,m and they; will be happy and at peace.
> >>  Chia-shan
> >> >> > said. 'The Tao is everywhere.'  He also said, 'When you see form, you
> >> >> see
> >> >> > the mind.'  But people only see form.  They don't see the mind.  If
> >> you
> >> >> can
> >> >> > look into the depths and think about what you are doing one action at
> >> a
> >> >> > time, you will suddenly see.  This is called seeing your nature.  You
> >> >> can't
> >> >> > know this nature through knowledge.  You can't perceive it through
> >> >> > perception.  This nature has no form or appearance.  When you don't
> >> see
> >> >> it,
> >> >> > you see it.  When you see it, you don't see it.""
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> > .
> >> >> > .
> >> >> > The Universe is uncaused, like a net of jewels in which each is a
> >> >> > reflection of all the others in a fantastic, interrelated harmony
> >> >> without
> >> >> > end.
> >> >> > .
> >> >> > .
>
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