[MD] Trance state

Fri Nov 28 06:30:41 PST 2008

Khoo,

It seems to be a Western problem, and as such it 
is not a MOQ problem.   Once one starts seeing 
interrelated, interconnected patterns, subjects 
and objects become meaningless.  I may be wrong, 
but I think Bodvar is stuck in a subject/object frame-of-mind.

We should all prepare some popcorn and watch Dead 
Poets Society.  It is a great movie.

Marsha

At 09:08 AM 11/28/2008, you wrote:
Marsha

I recollect one of my favourite moveis Dead Poets Society where John Keating
played by Robbin Williams have his students read the introduction to the
book Understanding Poetry by a fictional Dr. J. Evans Pritchard, Ph. D.,
which describes how to place the quality of a poem on a scale, and rate it
with a number.It would look like if we put all of Art on a scale, we could
reduce Quality to a number. Intellect as SOM would have it dehumanises and
reduces our experience to that of a cold hard rock.

He later has the students stand on his desk as a reminder to look at the
world in a different way, just as Henry David Thoreau intended when he
wrote, "The universe is wider than our views of it"
(*Walden<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Walden>
*).

I think the Western concept of of SOM only based Intellect is too limiting.
it may seem all persuasive and pervasive now. But even in the Western world,
non-SOM intellect remains a potent force in recession even though with ready
adherents who seek its renewed expression. Some, a number on this list are
too ready to apply their fearsome intellect to the dissection of Quality
into its metaphysics and manipulation on a scale of some absurd kind.

As in the Dead Poets Society, the key to the non-SOM Intellect worldview is
poetic vision; the capacity and ability of artists, whatever their craft and
talent to see the world differently. The hunger for poetic vision, and their
forms of expression only testify to the great emptiness in a worldview
imposed by what we know as Western Subject Object Metaphysics.

'The mark of your ignorance is the depth of your belief in injustice and
tragedy. What the caterpillar calls the end of the world, the master calls a
butterfly." *Illusions - The Adventures of a Reluctant Messiah" *by Richard
Bach - 1977

Best
Khoo Hock Aun

>Marsha I recollect one of my favourite moveis 
>Dead Poets Society where John Keating played by 
>Robbin Williams have his students read the 
>introduction to the book Understanding Poetry by 
>a fictional Dr. J. Evans Pritchard, Ph. D., 
>which describes how to place the quality of a 
>poem on a scale, and rate it with a number.It 
>would look like if we put all of Art on a scale, 
>we could reduce Quality to a number. Intellect 
>as SOM would have it dehumanises and reduces our 
>experience to that of a cold hard rock. He later 
>has the students stand on his desk as a reminder 
>to look at the world in a different way, just as 
>Henry David Thoreau intended when he wrote, "The 
>universe is wider than our views of it" 
>(*Walden<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Walden> 
>*). I think the Western concept of of SOM only 
>based Intellect is too limiting. it may seem all 
>persuasive and pervasive now. But even in the 
>Western world, non-SOM intellect remains a 
>potent force in recession even though with ready 
>adherents who seek its renewed expression. Some, 
>a number on this list are too ready to apply 
>their fearsome intellect to the dissection of 
>Quality into its metaphysics and manipulation on 
>a scale of some absurd kind. As in the Dead 
>Poets Society, the key to the non-SOM Intellect 
>worldview is poetic vision; the capacity and 
>ability of artists, whatever their craft and 
>talent to see the world differently. The hunger 
>for poetic vision, and their forms of expression 
>only testify to the great emptiness in a 
>worldview imposed by what we know as Western 
>Subject Object Metaphysics. 'The mark of your 
>ignorance is the depth of your belief in 
>injustice and tragedy. What the caterpillar 
>calls the end of the world, the master calls a 
>butterfly." *Illusions - The Adventures of a 
>Reluctant Messiah" *by Richard Bach - 1977 Best 
>Khoo Hock Aun On Fri, Nov 28, 2008 at 6:09 PM, 
>MarshaV <marshalz at charter.net> wrote: > > 
>Khoo, > > What do you think? > > Marsha > > > > 
>At 04:38 AM 11/28/2008, you wrote: > > Greetings 
>Khoo, >> >> Yes, I think it is intellectual, and 
>much, much 
>more. >>  Everything-is-connected-to-everything 
>would make it an ever-changing, >> collection of 
>interrelated, interconnected, inorganic, 
>biological, social >> and intellectual, static 
>patterns of value within a flow of dynamic 
>quality. >>  A piece of marble might be an 
>inorganic spov, but a Michelangelo's 
>David? >>  Well that is so much more. >> >> 
>Marsha >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> At 04:21 AM 
>11/28/2008, you wrote: >> >>> Marsha Is Art: 
>Painting, Poetry, Sculpture, Theatre, Music and 
>all these >>> non-SOM stuff intellectual 
>activity ? Best Regards Khoo Hock Aun On Fri, 
>Nov >>> 28, 2008 at 5:15 PM, MarshaV 
><marshalz at charter.net> wrote: > At 03:28 AM >>> 
>11/28/2008, you wrote: > > Give me some examples 
>of patterns you deem >>> "intellectual" yet, 
>isn't >> S/O-based. >> > > Bo, > > Didn't you 
>ask and >>> get replies to this question a few 
>weeks ago? > > >  E=mcÃ‚Â² > > --- > > >>> 
>STARDUST >    by Kay Ryan > > Stardust is > the 
>hardest thing > to hold out >>> for. > You 
>must > make of yourself > a perfect plane-- > 
>something still > >>> upon which > something 
>settles-- > something like > sugar grains 
>on > >>> something like > metal, but with > none 
>of the chill. > It's hard to >>> 
>explain. > > > > >  Marsha > > > > > > > > > . > 
>. > > Shoot for the moon. >>>  Even if you miss, 
>you'll land among the stars......... > . > 
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