[MD] Shouldn’t we be, like, revolting ?

[Lord Arioch]

Question

DOES Pirsig make thy quotes? OR are thy quotes from the characters portayed in Pirsigs tales?

"PIRSIG: "Yes, Phædrus is overwhelmingly intellectual. He is not a mask, 
really, justa literary character who is easy for me to write about because I 
share many 
of his static values a lot of the time. I don't think big self and small 
self are involved here. My editor wanted me to make him a warmer person in 
order to increase reader appeal. But making him warmer would have made him 
more social and weakened the contrasts between himself and Rigel and Lila 
that were intended to give strength to the story. The fact that everyone 
seemed to think that Phædrus was me came as an unpleasant surprise after the 
book was published. I had assumed that everyone would of course know that an 
author and a character in his book cannot possibly be the same person." 




----- Original Message ----
From: Platt Holden <plattholden at gmail.com>
To: moq_discuss at moqtalk.org
Sent: Thursday, October 2, 2008 11:52:32 AM
Subject: Re: [MD] Shouldn’t we be, like, revolting ?

Hi Bo, 

> I like it when you take the dear Swedish socialists down a little by such
> information that the "Fannie Mae" financial institution was founded as 
> a countermeasure for the economical crisis of the thirties. My opinion 
> is that using the MOQ for classifying this "little" item as "intellectual"
> and that as "social" is in wain, however the big intellect vs society 
> struggle that the above quotes concern is most valid.

I take my cue as to what marks the intellectual vs.. society conflict from 
Pirsig:

"The New Deal was many things, but at the center of it all was the belief 
that intellectual planning by the government was necessary for society to 
regain its health." (Lila, 22)

The same belief is active today as witness the Wall Street bailout bill 
just passed in our Senate. 

> This struggle goes on and the irony is that the socialists are the ones 
> that undermine SOCIAL VALUE, this stems from the MOQ not being 
> known in general and that some alleged moqists not having grasped 
> what its 3rd. level is about, namely a liberation from the biological 
> level. Magnus the star example of a misconceived social level.

Right. Pirsig explains why intellectually-guided socialism is a 
catastrophe: 

"These subject-object patterns were never designed for the job of governing 
society. They're not doing it. When they're put in the position of 
controlling society, of setting moral standards and declaring values, and 
when they then declare that there are no values and no morals, the result 
isn't progress. The result is social catastrophe." (Lila, 24)

Not to mention the millions exterminated under various forms of socialism.

Platt

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