[MD] Shouldn't we be, like, revolting ?
Platt Holden
plattholden at gmail.com
Fri Oct 3 06:55:47 PDT 2008
Hi Ham,
> At 2:22 PM on 10/2, Chris Ivarsson said to Bo:
>
> > The reason why I see it as the most natural thing in the world
> > for a MOQist to sympathise with the general ideas and themes
> > of Marxism is because it can be categorized as a recipe for
> > rearranging social patterns to serve the intellectual level:
> > something that is evolutionary moral in the MOQ view.
>
> Earlier you had said . . .
>
> > I take my cue as to what marks the intellectual vs. society
> > conflict from Pirsig:
> >
> > "The New Deal was many things, but at the center of it all
> > was the belief that intellectual planning by the government
> > was necessary for society to regain its health." (Lila, 22)
> >
> > The same belief is active today as witness the Wall Street
> > bailout bill just passed in our Senate.
>
> Platt, how is it possible for Chris to use Pirsig's philosophy to support
> Marxism, while you use it to support Capitalism? It just goes to show
> that,
> like statistics, a quotation in the hands of a clever politican can be
> construed to justify any position.
Except Chris doesn't (and can't) use quotations from the MOQ to support his
Marxist mindset.
> Both of you might find F.A. Hayek's 'Road to Serfdom' of interest.
> (Platt,
> I know you're aware of this book, published in 1944, because you mentioned
> the title a few days ago.) I'll be running a condensed version of Hayek's
> chapter "The Great Utopia" in next week's Values Page. You could almost
> imagine he was talking about the bailout in this excerpt:
>
> "Democratic assemblies cannot function as planning agencies. They cannot
> produce agreement on everything - the whole direction of the resources of
> the nation-for the number of possible courses of action will be legion.
> Even if a congress could, by proceeding step by step and compromising at
> each point, agree on some scheme, it would certainly in the end satisfy
> nobody.
>
> "To draw up an economic plan in this fashion is even less possible than,
> for
> instance, successfully to plan a military campaign by democratic
> procedure.
> As in strategy it would become inevitable to delegate the task to experts.
> And even if, by this expedient, a democracy should succeed in planning
> every
> sector of economic activity, it would still have to face the problem of
> integrating these separate plans into a unitary whole. There will be a
> stronger and stronger demand that some board or some single individual
> should be given power to act on their own responsibility. The cry for an
> economic dictator is a characteristic stage in the movement toward
> planning.
> Thus the legislative body will be reduced to choosing the persons who are
> to
> have practically absolute power. The whole system will tend toward that
> kind of dictatorship in which the head of the government is position by
> popular vote, but where he has all the powers at his command to make
> certain
> that the vote will go in the direction he desires. Planning leads to
> dictatorship because dictatorship is the most effective instrument of
> coercion and, as such, essential if central planning on a large scale is
> to
> be possible. ..." --[F.A. Hayek: Road to Serfdom]
Hayek's "The Road to the Serfdom" ought to be required reading in every
Economics 101 class. Fat chance in today's leftist-sotted academia.
Thanks for the above excerpt.
Warm regards,
Platt
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