[MD] Commie Talk and USA bashing?

[Christoffer Ivarsson]

Hey Woods, Marsha, Platt, all

 I was going to clarify a few things here I think. Woods asked some stuff. 
Tell me If I forget something. When I talk about the free market, or the 
totally free market, I mean just that the buying and selling of stuff, and 
the production of the stuff is not overlaid with restrictions by law in any 
way. If there is laws that say "an emplyer must pay his employees a 
reasonable amount"  then that's not a completely free market one can argue, 
or if there is law that say "you can't charge more than X amount for a 
certain type of medicine" that's not a completely free market. Now I say 
that that kind of system isn't around (I think) anywhere, because people 
know it leads to hell on earth (I know you aked about that)

And the reason I say that is because I have read 19th century history, and 
both people then and historians now have described the situation for the 
workers in, say, Manchester to be hellish. I'll translate and quote from one 
of my books used by the department of history at Lund University describing 
Manchester in the 1840s :

"The houses were in many cases not worthy of human beings and gave rise to 
many illnesses, among them tuberculosis. The salary of the workers were at 
best at subsistence level, and could only provide the workers with poor 
food, and thus the infant mortality was very high. In addition to this, the 
factory workers could not depend on getting paid all the time, since they 
could be fired at any time"

This attracted attention even by wealthier people at the time that wrote 
with horror about it, although the liberals at the time would say that the 
workers situation was brought on by themselves as a result of weak moral or 
Godlessness or something along that line.

So in short that's what an unchecked market produces, so soon everybody with 
some wit realised that this produces a most unstable society with high 
criminal activity etc - and some people even felt compassion and argued from 
that point of view (weird thing to do right?). And so restrictions on the 
market was introduced.

Still, we see today what a destructive force the hunger for profit is, when 
big shipping companies dump toxic waste in Africa, poisoning thousands of 
people, just to save a few dollars. That kind of stuff has never ended, 
because that social value - MONEY - is far stronger than any other, such as 
perhaps morality.

//Chris