[MD] Re; chinese language patterns

Tue Oct 14 07:39:18 PDT 2008

At 09:42 AM 10/14/2008, you wrote:
>Hi Marsha
>
>Quaint, to find my words thrown back at me : )

Your words have been hanging on the wall in my studio since you wrote 
them.  I read them often.

>But really, when the world is crashing down on so many people, I guess there
>wont be many with half a mind; is any. Then they didnt have any to begin
>with, if they allowed themselves to caught up in the global euphoria of the
>bubble; the mindlessness of the herd and the market.
>
>Yes the market.

I've not been playing the game, but I worry for others who have not 
been playing the game yet may certainly be hurt by their innocence.

>Does the market have a mind? Where is its brain ?  Are they they folks at
>Goldman Sachs who decided to go long instead of short ? Or is it with George
>Soros, who says Government is needed to master the market and to tame the
>beast.
>
>Where is the Dalai Lama when we need him ? There is the little niggling of
>the gallstones that need to be taken out. Even a god has to have them
>removed; I thought he would just meditate them away; I still have mine;
>lodged in my gall bladder like a ticking time bomb before they decide to
>irritate and inflame.

I am glad the Dalai Lama is recovering.  I understand he may be 
released from the hospital at the end of the week.  I wish him 
well.  I think of him often.  And I wish you to bypass the irritation 
and affliction.

>These are inflammatory times; and there is a certain madness about. Where is
>the centre and where is the norm; do we know anymore ?

I don't know, but think your voice is important.  I think your voice 
needs to be heard on this forum.  I would welcome your help.  I need 
your help to understand.  I am blind to so much.  There are others 
who would welcome your words too.

>Does it lie somewhere between an Obama and a McCain ? Between the Blue and
>the Red ? Between Putin and Mr Hu ? Who indeed will be the new Masters of
>the Universe ?

No, I don't think so.  I think it lies in a new vision.

>Civilisation lurches from shock to shock; seemingly mindless and without the
>Quality we seek.

These Masters of the Universe are naked.  It can't help but be 
noticed.  They have nothing to offer.

Thank you for writing Khoo.

Marsha

>On Tue, Oct 14, 2008 at 5:59 PM, MarshaV <marshalz at charter.net> wrote:
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> >
> > Khoo,
> >
> > ...by a neurosurgical stroke so fine
> > I find myself completely out of my mind..
> >
> > Marsha
> >
> > p.s.  I don't know how Bo can not address your post.  Words like narrow,
> > shallow and without humility come to my mind.
> >
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> > At 09:29 AM 10/12/2008, you wrote:
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> >> Skutvik :
> >> Thus the oriental intellectual level was every bit as S/O as the
> >> Occidental,
> >> but the
> >> Orientals did not lock on to that level to let it develop into a S/O
> >> metaphysics like the West.
> >>
> >> Khoo:
> >> Wow, Bo this is as superficial as you can get about a culture and a
> >> civilisation bounded by a metaphysics that you observe as laboratory rats.
> >> Have you immersed yourself among the lab rats in what oriental philosophy,
> >> more pointedly Chinese philosophy would be all about before you make
> >> statements like that; directly rather than vicariously even through
> >> Pirsig.
> >>
> >>
> >> Skutvik:
> >> The social level is their primary focus with a Quality-like insight lodged
> >> on top of that, manifest as Buddhism and Taoism.
> >>
> >> Khoo:
> >> In a way if thats all how you think of Chinese civilisation being mostly
> >> social structures it does not surprise me that you would come up with a
> >> particularly grating point of view as below:
> >>
> >> Skutvik:
> >> This is behind their lack of innovation, of aping western music and
> >> producing western goods to perfection, but not bringing forth any new
> >> things.
> >>
> >> Khoo:
> >> I wonder where the world would be without ice cream, spaghetti and
> >> gunpowder. But that said according to your world view -  lets not hold our
> >> breath for anything new to come out from China -even as blends of East and
> >> West and then more.
> >>
> >> I may have posted earlier on this before - but all innovative activity in
> >> China was done and claimed in the name of the Emperor. I was surprised
> >> that
> >> crossbows and chrome were already made in China when China was first
> >> unified
> >> under Qin. Does anyone remember the name of the first Chinese Taikonaut;
> >> as
> >> opposed to Yuri Gagarin and Alan Shepard ?
> >>
> >> Chinese society today has to deal with the market capitalism of the West -
> >> to the extent that greed and lax regulation has allowed melamine to taint
> >> baby milk products. But the social values of a country that limiits birth
> >> to
> >> one child per family will soon enough correct that - as we expect the
> >> greater good to prevail over the greed of a few.
> >>
> >>
> >> Skutvik:
> >> Most of all no philosophical evolution - like the MOQ for instance - and
> >> typically the MOQ could not have been arrived without the strong
> >> intellectual level i.e. the SOM.
> >> Khoo:
> >> Might it ever be considered that Chinese civilisation for all its 6,000
> >> years, barbarism and affluence
> >> all taken into account, is the manifestation of a Metaphysics of Quality ?
> >> Quality after all precedes SOM; Western civilisation choose to go with SOM
> >> as the primary dichotomy. Chinese civilisation stayed with the Metaphysics
> >> of Quality and retained SOM as a derivative branch.
> >>
> >> That is why maybe in your scheme of things the Chinese don't have
> >> inventions
> >> in the personalised patents under the names of individualised objects;
> >> objects who dared identify and name the ten thousand "things' as though
> >> they
> >> discovered "them" and therefore possesed "them"..
> >>
> >> Finally I am not inclined to get into a debate where the premises have no
> >> common ground but I will say that if one accepts that the fundamental
> >> worldview of the Chinese is alliterative rather than objective; then we
> >> may
> >> start to get to the point.
> >>
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