[MD] Emotions' place?

[MarshaV]

At 12:00 PM 10/20/2008, you wrote:
>Platt and Christoffer.
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>Emotions woke my interest.
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>19 Oct.:
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>[Chris]
> > >> No, not all emotions are of the biological level, though they all
> > >> need the biological level,  and of course the levels are
> > >> overlapping and interrelated.
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> > [Platt]
> > > What emotions do you think are NOT of the biological level? Pirsig
> > > wrote: "The MOQ sees emotions as a biological response to quality
> > > and not the same thing as quality.  There are many cases,
> > > particularly in economic activity where values occur without any
> > > emotion." (LS, Note 141)
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>IMO emotion is the social "expression" (Sensation the biological and
>Reason the intellectual). Animals wouldn't survive if they had
>emotions. When an antelope has escaped a lion it continues to graze
>as if nothing has happened. If it had been afraid in the emotional
>sense it would never have dared venture out in the open again and
>quickly succumbed.

Bo,

Are you confusing sentimentality with emotions.

Marsha


>But as Chris says, emotions "need the biological level". There is the
>experiment of people being injected with adrenalin. Those told in
>beforehand felt the restlessness, but took no further notice, while
>those who didn't know, reacted emotionally, they felt danger
>threatening (flee or fight). This because humans are social beings and
>interprets the biological sensations emotionally. A silly example: A stab
>of pain: Am I ill, will I die?
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>We are also "intellectuals" so for those told about the expected
>reaction reason overuled emotions.
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>Chris continued:
> > >>  But I do think that greed could be
> > >> seen as a biological pattern, the basic drive for survival is
> > >> greatly benefited by it.
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>"Greed" is an ambiguous term. One may eat greedily if hungry but this
>is biology's SENSATION.
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> > >>But when the social level comes along, it
> > >> is important that it (the social level) can get this under control.
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>To pursue hunger you are right, it is controlled by society into meals
>and table manners. All bodily functions that animals just relieve are
>similarly controlled.
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> > >> Similarly it would seem to be the intellectual levels mission to,
> > >> when reshaping social structures, to direct this drive at something
> > >> intellectually Good. Ideally though,
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>Intellect doesn't directly "reshape" the social manners, but it may
>overrule them. A silly example; The astronomer Tycho Brahe ruptured
>his bladder in a drinking party where the king was present and it was
>socially impossible to leave the table before the majesty. These days
>reason would prevent such an outcome.
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> > >> the MOQ will show the need for
> > >> balance, because of course the intellectual level cannot build only
> > >> for intellectual Good, that has been the problem before, there must
> > >> be a MOQ perspective.
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>Agree. The MOQ reveals the level interactions and limitations (the
>lower must not override the upper, but the upper better not overwhelm
>its parent)
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>Pirsig's
>     "The MOQ sees emotions as a biological response to quality
>     and not the same thing as quality.  There are many cases,
>     particularly in economic activity where values occur without any
>     emotion." (LS, Note 141)
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>Emotions as biology see above. And  "...not the same as quality" is a
>bit strange. Everything is supposed to be responses to quality. Sad to
>say, but Pirsig in "Lila's Child" seems lost on many issues.
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