[MD] patterns revisited

[MarshaV]

At 12:40 PM 10/21/2008, you wrote:



>woods:
>     Quiet is a good starting point, I think you would agree.  Quietness
>helps us steer through this in a good way.  Would you
>say Time would provide you with the same information that
>Change would about the nature/ontology of spov's?


My thinking is that the nature of all static patterns is 
conceptual.  (This is what interests me, that spov are primarily 
mental experiences.)   I think I've explained this a number of 
times.  In the case of inorganic and biological, these patterns have 
as their referent external, natural phenomenon, such as  rocks and 
trees.  Social and intellectual patterns are conceptual patterns 
pointing to concepts/ideas, such as socialism and theoretical physics.

What are these conceptual patterns like?  Images or pieces of 
images.  Auditory?  Words?  Certainly not dictionary-like 
definitions.  Smell.  Taste.  I can't quite get it.  It's there, but 
out of reach.  I think there's physical aspect.  Emotions?  Maybe as 
simple as good or bad.  Since everything is connected to everything 
how far would it go.  If the hooves of a zebra are like those of my 
horse, would they be part of a zebra pattern?  If I spent hours 
grooming a horse would the experience of touching the horse become 
part of the zebra pattern?   There's many questions I have about 
these patterns.  -  How might patterns be different in composition 
from one individual to the next?  How would sensing-type individual's 
patterns differ from thinking-type individual's patterns?  So, many 
questions?


Yes, change seems most definitely an attribute of spovs.

Time?  There's something said in Nagarjuna's MKK about time, I will 
need to read again.  Since Einstein time is relative.  Seems to me 
I've read somewhere there is past and future, but no present.  In 
some cases time is directional.  In some cases time is not 
directional.  I don't know how time might be an attribute of static 
patterns of value.

Here there's a need for quietness, or the possibility of overload.


Marsha










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